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Thanks for the response, I know it’s not how recall goes but I wonder if they take into account people whom are on leave but will be transitioning fleets when they come back.
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30 more SFO reductions by this summer was the last number I heard.
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Originally Posted by 9mikemike
(Post 3195226)
The last down cycle we not only furloughed but then it was 4 years until we hired again. This down cycle seems to be just getting underway. It is allowing conversion to a single fleet without the need for a training bubble. The last down cycle we had no ejets to take over for mainline. When they talk about coming out of a down cycle stronger they definitely do not mean bigger in terms of pilots. The increase in asm’s from 320 to 900ER/Max is what they mean by growth.
Our old mix of 737/320 and 235 aircraft to our new mix of 235 737/321... Exact same number of airplanes will equate to 23% revenue growth and negative growth for pilots. |
I buy most of it 😉
I am pretty sure every B737 pilot is back by the end of summer... All A320 pilots back by late spring 2022... 230 of the A320 pilots will be transitioning to the B737 over the next 16 months. Nothing in stone until middle to late spring SFO is closing |
Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
(Post 3195529)
Just to give everyone an idea
Our old mix of 737/320 and 235 aircraft to our new mix of 235 737/321... Exact same number of airplanes will equate to 23% revenue growth and negative growth for pilots. SFO base .... gone Most West Coast.... gone Whew..... that’s a buttload of money to pay to get rid of a competitor’s ability to expand. Gotta say though, they did an amazing job spinning it as a “growth” decision at FlightPath. The only “growth” at Alaska comes in living on less, maximizing your 401K and the Employee Stock Purchase Plan. If you think it’s gonna come via expansion/upgrade, that’s just wishful thinking. |
Originally Posted by av8or
(Post 3195559)
JFK base.... gone
SFO base .... gone Most West Coast.... gone Whew..... that’s a buttload of money to pay to get rid of a competitor’s ability to expand. Gotta say though, they did an amazing job spinning it as a “growth” decision at FlightPath. The only “growth” at Alaska comes in living on less, maximizing your 401K and the Employee Stock Purchase Plan. If you think it’s gonna come via expansion/upgrade, that’s just wishful thinking. |
Another way to look at it. The only employees that even give a thought to pilot seniority list growth are active line pilots on the Alaska pilots seniority list. Everyone else from the board chair to the most junior csa see growth as ASM’s...and Code Shares. The continuing swap of A320/B737-700/800 to B737-900ER/Max is substantial ASM growth and will be advertised as “growth”. ASM growth, base closure and single fleet efficiency will eat up our seniority list for awhile.
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10 CA and 10 FO Airbus reductions per month for the next 24 months. There should be quarterly bids with 30 Airbus CA reductions, 30 Airbus FO reductions, resulting in 60 total reductions, this will be the norm for the next 2 years.
SFO closer is fluid, if I had to bet, October 2022. By the end of 2023 we will have 124 Airbus pilots, all based in LAX. |
Originally Posted by OTZeagle1
(Post 3198733)
10 CA and 10 FO Airbus reductions per month for the next 24 months. There should be quarterly bids with 30 Airbus CA reductions, 30 Airbus FO reductions, resulting in 60 total reductions, this will be the norm for the next 2 years.
SFO closer is fluid, if I had to bet, October 2022. By the end of 2023 we will have 124 Airbus pilots, all based in LAX. |
I was told a lot of 4 day transcons. LAX-JFK,JFK-SEA, SEA-JFK, JFK-SEA... similar story for BOS, EWR, BWI, IAD, DCA, probably a sprinkle of LAX -SEA, and a DH or two. I don’t see any reasonable chance the 321 is based in SEA.
CLT was supposed to happen this summer, I was told announcement soon, thinking that might have just got pushed to next spring. |
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