Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 3343355)

Disparage? I said the pilot gamed the system. Where was “disparage?” Just called it for what it was, gaming the system. I didn’t say anything was violated contractually.

Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 3343375)

I said I wouldn’t be happy as a business owner, but I wouldn’t disparage him. If I was a business owner, I would have shared a clear expectation/policy for the Covid vaccine.


I honestly dont know what the policy is here, other than getting $200, and the fact they made it a mandate or apply for religious/medical exemption. I got the Covid shots back in March and April as soon as it was available. Even as a junior bottom barrel schedule, I had a stretch of 3 days off in which I got the shot on day 1 and never had any interference with work. You do you but I got the shots ASAP to protect my family and inlaws, all of whom are older and half with multiple health issues that are prime for making a Covid infection worse.

Originally Posted by NewGuy01 (Post 3343378)

I just hope you understand this is a “you do you” situation for us? You shouldn’t have a concern about your fellow union members life choices.

Did he violate the contract or not? That is all that should be discussed and even then that is someone else’s choice.


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Originally Posted by Flaps1check (Post 3343024)

Truth is the company is demanding the pilots get vaccinated, why anyone would do that on their own time is beyond me. The company has been short handed for awhile, with it coming to a head over this weekend. I don’t blame a pilot for gaming the system to spend time with their family. Staffing levels aren’t and shouldn’t be the concern of a line pilot. Not enough pilots to cover that flying, chief pilots have to fly over a holiday, have to cancel flights? So be it, April 2019, 12.6%, are all the reminders I need.

P.S. don’t forget you contractually protected annual physical with your primary care doctor.

Originally Posted by MinRest (Post 3343052)

Incorrect on basically every front. They said get the vaccine by the end of Jan, HOW MANY MONTHS AGO? Not the company's fault you procrastinate.

It isn't about one pilot sending ops into pandemonium, it's about this pilot either playing dumb, or is unfortunately actually dumb. You know darn well you can't fly for 48 hours, he gets it right before a reserve period starts. Hey, it's his middle finger to the company, great... But to think this wouldn't flag and go up the chain is so insane to me. We all know there are substances and medications that make you unfit to fly. We all know that the vaccine falls under this rule. This pilot could have punched out sick and said "my bad, I got the vaccine and this was the only available appointment, so I can't sit reserve"

This isn't the company's fault, this is 100% on the pilot. Now that he spread the company email, he is in real trouble.

Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 3343197)

Calling in sick? Yes.


Intentionally taking the shot on day 4 of 4 off, instead of day 1 or 2, simply to score Christmas Eve and Christmas off? Sure, but expect an earful from mgt. If I owned a business and an employee pulled this, I wouldn’t be happy either.

Originally Posted by av8or (Post 3343437)

Yeah, they’re WILLFULLY and knowing violating the contract language on 14H…. They’ll lose, but, it doesn’t matter while we fly and grieve.

Originally Posted by Flaps1check (Post 3343451)

There is no policy on how you use the sick time. Simply that you can use sick time for your annual physical. Don’t ask for the leave, take it and if asked later quote the section later