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We have lost 19 so far in 2022. It is going to get significantly worse.
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Originally Posted by Hot Dog
(Post 3363548)
And it’s only the beginning
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Originally Posted by MinRest
(Post 3363584)
We have lost 19 so far in 2022. It is going to get significantly worse.
1. Retirements / movement up the list 2. Widebody fleets 3. Bases That's not even mentioning pilot contract differences. We can get an awesome contract at AS but it won't stop the bleeding to the big 3 for those three reasons. Anyone below age 40 with less than 5 yrs here, the equation favors leaving. |
Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 3363592)
Sounds similar to jetBlue. IMO all pax airlines other than the big 3 are going to face attrition issues as pilots leave for the big 3:
1. Retirements / movement up the list 2. Widebody fleets 3. Bases That's not even mentioning pilot contract differences. We can get an awesome contract at AS but it won't stop the bleeding to the big 3 for those three reasons. Anyone below age 40 with less than 5 yrs here, the equation favors leaving. |
Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
(Post 3363667)
I think attrition will slow noticeably, though not completely, with a new contract that is on par with the Big 3 - there are plenty of guys that have no desire to do wide-body flying or be limited in bases to the west coast region.
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Originally Posted by ELAC321
(Post 3363676)
Agree. ShyGuy is wrong on this one. A great new contract would stem attrition to a trickle. I know multiple pilots who are on the edge and a contract would get them to stay.
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Very telling that John Ladner and company say” We are looking forward to raising pay rates”. That is the classic Alaska Airlines move. Disregard that pay rates are not anywhere near a priority relative to scope, reserve, scheduling, retirement, training etc……Next up in the playbook….”senior captains” regurgitating the “ time value of money” speech….And the tone is still…That pesky ALPA getting in the way again
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Originally Posted by 9mikemike
(Post 3363793)
Very telling that John Ladner and company say” We are looking forward to raising pay rates”. That is the classic Alaska Airlines move. Disregard that pay rates are not anywhere near a priority relative to scope, reserve, scheduling, retirement, training etc……Next up in the playbook….”senior captains” regurgitating the “ time value of money” speech….And the tone is still…That pesky ALPA getting in the way again
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Originally Posted by 9mikemike
(Post 3363793)
Very telling that John Ladner and company say” We are looking forward to raising pay rates”. That is the classic Alaska Airlines move. Disregard that pay rates are not anywhere near a priority relative to scope, reserve, scheduling, retirement, training etc……Next up in the playbook….”senior captains” regurgitating the “ time value of money” speech….And the tone is still…That pesky ALPA getting in the way again
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 3364114)
Where was that said? I missed it. The answer in the Q&A was to hire more than the original intention in order to deal with attrition. Get outta here with raising pay or getting a new contract. :eek:
His last mass email to his minions. When I hear or read something a management pilot says I just dismiss it as lies. So it’s basically just false, misleading or just worthless. Get it in writing (contract), or it doesn’t matter. 2 weeks ago you were saying there wasn’t attrition. What gives. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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