Attrition?
01-02-2022, 04:40 PM
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Attrition?
What is the attrition like at Alaska?
Someone on another thread mentioned new-hires leaving during Indoc and during training. I assume that these are pilots that took the first offer that came their way and are leaving when something better comes through.
How many 2-4 yr FOs are leaving?
Until Alaska has trouble attracting and retaining pilots, costing them money in training costs and cancelled flights, there’s no motivation for them to change the way they do things.
Someone on another thread mentioned new-hires leaving during Indoc and during training. I assume that these are pilots that took the first offer that came their way and are leaving when something better comes through.
How many 2-4 yr FOs are leaving?
Until Alaska has trouble attracting and retaining pilots, costing them money in training costs and cancelled flights, there’s no motivation for them to change the way they do things.
01-02-2022, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by GearBoy
What is the attrition like at Alaska?
Someone on another thread mentioned new-hires leaving during Indoc and during training. I assume that these are pilots that took the first offer that came their way and are leaving when something better comes through.
How many 2-4 yr FOs are leaving?
Until Alaska has trouble attracting and retaining pilots, costing them money in training costs and cancelled flights, there’s no motivation for them to change the way they do things.
Someone on another thread mentioned new-hires leaving during Indoc and during training. I assume that these are pilots that took the first offer that came their way and are leaving when something better comes through.
How many 2-4 yr FOs are leaving?
Until Alaska has trouble attracting and retaining pilots, costing them money in training costs and cancelled flights, there’s no motivation for them to change the way they do things.
01-02-2022, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by flysnoopy76
There isn’t much attrition, just over 40 for the year, mostly junior folks leaving for better opportunities
How can that be the case if things are as bad as you guys say?
Well then, you guys better hope that self-help is a viable option. You are too far behind to get the improvements you seek with out it, IMO.
When I was there, we made it to mediation, once, years ago. Negotiations in mediation stalled and the pilots asked to be released for the 30-day cooling-off period. The mediator denied the request, saying that the two sides were too close in their positions, that he wanted both sides to go off and settle it. IMO, the pilots did not ask for enough and were too close to what management was offering. In effect the pilots shot themselves in the foot and took away any leverage that they might have had through self-help. The Union always wanted to appear reasonable in the eyes of a mediator or arbitrator. The problem with reasonable is that if you start negotiations with reasonable, you settle for less than reasonable.
good luck
You guys and gals are going to need it
01-02-2022, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by GearBoy
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How can that be the case if things are as bad as you guys say?
Well then, you guys better hope that self-help is a viable option. You are too far behind to get the improvements you seek with out it, IMO.
When I was there, we made it to mediation, once, years ago. Negotiations in mediation stalled and the pilots asked to be released for the 30-day cooling-off period. The mediator denied the request, saying that the two sides were too close in their positions, that he wanted both sides to go off and settle it. IMO, the pilots did not ask for enough and were too close to what management was offering. In effect the pilots shot themselves in the foot and took away any leverage that they might have had through self-help. The Union always wanted to appear reasonable in the eyes of a mediator or arbitrator. The problem with reasonable is that if you start negotiations with reasonable, you settle for less than reasonable.
good luck
You guys and gals are going to need it
How can that be the case if things are as bad as you guys say?
Well then, you guys better hope that self-help is a viable option. You are too far behind to get the improvements you seek with out it, IMO.
When I was there, we made it to mediation, once, years ago. Negotiations in mediation stalled and the pilots asked to be released for the 30-day cooling-off period. The mediator denied the request, saying that the two sides were too close in their positions, that he wanted both sides to go off and settle it. IMO, the pilots did not ask for enough and were too close to what management was offering. In effect the pilots shot themselves in the foot and took away any leverage that they might have had through self-help. The Union always wanted to appear reasonable in the eyes of a mediator or arbitrator. The problem with reasonable is that if you start negotiations with reasonable, you settle for less than reasonable.
good luck
You guys and gals are going to need it
01-03-2022, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by flysnoopy76
There isn’t much attrition, just over 40 for the year, mostly junior folks leaving for better opportunities
01-03-2022, 09:54 AM
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Not likely to be an attention-getter at headquarters. It usually all works in their favor…Further delays on 737 deliveries, a buyer for more of the 320 fleet. Senior dudes checkin out…Staffing ends up perfect…They have lots of 4-leaf clover over at Angle Lake
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