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Hawaii50 09-14-2022 06:44 PM

When your'e the largest economy in the nation and fifth largest in the world, you get to set your own rules, for better or worse.

AvwriterJoe 09-14-2022 06:59 PM

According to Simple Flying, JetBlue has also been hit with these CA work rules.

https://simpleflying.com/jetblue-set...-with-payment/

rickair7777 09-14-2022 07:21 PM


Originally Posted by Hawaii50 (Post 3495016)
When your'e the largest economy in the nation and fifth largest in the world, you get to set your own rules, for better or worse.

Their actual productive economy isn't quite that large... they get to claim credit for all of the money that flows through the SFO and LA financial centers. Also revenue from big tech. That's not the same as producing useful goods and services, more about controlling stuff that other people use. They also have a large service economy due to having a lot of people.

GoodJet 09-14-2022 09:32 PM


Originally Posted by IAHPILOT (Post 3494852)
DH to work with satellite bases at popular commuter cities?

Yes because paying your flight attendants one hour of extra pay is so abhorrent that they will pay for thousands of employees to ride positive space, while getting paid to SFO to start their rotation.

The sad part about all this is union employees who fall for these management tactics. The chances of SFO, LAX, FAT etc becoming devoid of pilot and FA bases is practically zero. Even if a web domain called PaddleYourKanoo says so.

I know this is APC but come on guys. Maybe read the actual law. Sure for a company that operates wide bodies maybe its plausible they could shift resources. But for AS? How many legs are over 6 hours? That is the threshold for adding the hour of pay.

CordovaCA 09-15-2022 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by GoodJet (Post 3495090)
Yes because paying your flight attendants one hour of extra pay is so abhorrent that they will pay for thousands of employees to ride positive space, while getting paid to SFO to start their rotation.

The sad part about all this is union employees who fall for these management tactics. The chances of SFO, LAX, FAT etc becoming devoid of pilot and FA bases is practically zero. Even if a web domain called PaddleYourKanoo says so.

I know this is APC but come on guys. Maybe read the actual law. Sure for a company that operates wide bodies maybe its plausible they could shift resources. But for AS? How many legs are over 6 hours? That is the threshold for adding the hour of pay.

Perhaps you should read the actual law. The 1 hour bump pay is not meant to be regularly scheduled. In fact the ruling specifically threatened massive civil fines if Alaska attempted to subvert the law by giving an hour pay. Good thought though glad you are so confidently incorrect.

pushFD 09-15-2022 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3495040)
Their actual productive economy isn't quite that large... they get to claim credit for all of the money that flows through the SFO and LA financial centers. Also revenue from big tech. That's not the same as producing useful goods and services, more about controlling stuff that other people use. They also have a large service economy due to having a lot of people.

That's just, "economic activity," but weirdly disregarding economic activity due to any of those "big tech" or "financial centers." It is obvious that millions of people (likely billions) are using the "big tech" and "financial centers" and find them to be useful goods and services. Same for service economy. I don't get this point at all.

Excargodog 09-15-2022 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by pushFD (Post 3495442)
That's just, "economic activity," but weirdly disregarding economic activity due to any of those "big tech" or "financial centers." It is obvious that millions of people (likely billions) are using the "big tech" and "financial centers" and find them to be useful goods and services. Same for service economy. I don't get this point at all.

What he means is that me sending my 1040 ES checks to the IRS in San Francisco does not really mean that’s economic activity unique to California. The IRS would have still taken the money if I’d have sent it to an office somewhere else. There is nothing unique about California in that regard. It’s not so much THEIR economic activity as it is economic activity that currently flows through the state but is actually pretty readily moved - like all the tech companies moving to Austin.

rickair7777 09-15-2022 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by pushFD (Post 3495442)
That's just, "economic activity," but weirdly disregarding economic activity due to any of those "big tech" or "financial centers." It is obvious that millions of people (likely billions) are using the "big tech" and "financial centers" and find them to be useful goods and services. Same for service economy. I don't get this point at all.

Controlling economic activity is not the same as generating economic activity.

In the digital age the cornerstones of CA's economy can be moved rather quickly. In fact some would say it's already happening. CA will still have an economy of some sort due to the service needs of the large population. And maybe agriculture if they can find enough water to keep that going.

You can say the same for BOS, NY, PHL, and DC but they are all in different states.

London was the center of the universe at the height of the British Empire. Their main economic product was control. And beer I suppose.

Excargodog 09-15-2022 11:50 AM

Warm beer…

JKSees 09-15-2022 04:58 PM

AA Closes SFO FA Base

https://abc7news.com/american-airlin...rnia/12231087/


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