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Old 09-21-2022 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
The reason the electoral system isn't "fair" is because all of the states signed on to that CONSTITUTIONAL provision when they joined the union. Presumably many would not have joined if that would have subjugated them to the tyranny of being ruled by the populist whims of people in distant, more populous states. Hmmm, that actually sounds a lot like the American Revolution.

There's a reason it's the way it is.

Don't like it? That's what constitutional conventions are for. Is that too hard? Then try to implement a non-constitutional electoral system and impose that on other states, and see what happens.
Tyranny of the populous states. Tyranny of the minority states.

Either way, someone loses.

But know this, the Electoral College is nothing more than Affirmative Action for voting.
Old 09-21-2022 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by flyprdu
Tyranny of the populous states. Tyranny of the minority states.

Either way, someone loses.

But know this, the Electoral College is nothing more than Affirmative Action for voting.
Waste of breath. Don't like it, convene a constitutional convention.

And it's not "affirmative action", it's just a manifestation of the constitutional sovereignty of the several states. If you want to take away what's left of that, maybe you should invade?
Old 09-21-2022 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Waste of breath. Don't like it, convene a constitutional convention.

And it's not "affirmative action", it's just a manifestation of the constitutional sovereignty of the several states. If you want to take away what's left of that, maybe you should invade?
Of course it is affirmative action. It gives a disproportionate advantage to less populous states.

Whether or not it's constitutionally enshrined is moot.
Old 09-21-2022 | 05:43 PM
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Why should 10 of the most populous states that have 50%+ decide for the other 40 states? Tyranny of the populous state isn’t an answer either. We are a Constitutional Republic.
Old 09-21-2022 | 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Why should 10 of the most populous states that have 50%+ decide for the other 40 states? Tyranny of the populous state isn’t an answer either. We are a Constitutional Republic.
Not even the bluest or reddest state is monolithic. Most states fall within 10 points margin between parties.

Let's not be hyperbolic. No states live under tyranny if the one who receives the most votes wins.

This is just more up is down misdirection

Also, the solution is simple. If you want to win races, have popular positions.
Old 09-21-2022 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by flyprdu
Not even the bluest or reddest state is monolithic. Most states fall within 10 points margin between parties.

Let's not be hyperbolic. No states live under tyranny if the one who receives the most votes wins.

This is just more up is down misdirection

Also, the solution is simple. If you want to win races, have popular positions.
So you want to abolish the electoral college, and wait for all other airlines to get a new contract before us….

Ooooooooooooook…..
Old 09-21-2022 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ChickenFinger
So you want to abolish the electoral college, and wait for all other airlines to get a new contract before us….

Ooooooooooooook…..
No. I don't want to abolish it. But I want its advocates to acknowledge that it's Affirmative Action for small states. That should make their brains explode.


Also, if you wait for one major, the rest will match within days. No one can be left behind in this market. It's a shame that some can't make that connection.
Old 09-21-2022 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by flyprdu
Not even the bluest or reddest state is monolithic. Most states fall within 10 points margin between parties.

Let's not be hyperbolic. No states live under tyranny if the one who receives the most votes wins.

This is just more up is down misdirection

Also, the solution is simple. If you want to win races, have popular positions.
That only works if the US population is spread evenly among 50 states. It is not. 10 states have more than half the US population. Electoral College is not affirmative action. The US is a Constitutional Republic and this method ensures 10 states don’t get to overrule the other 40.
Old 09-21-2022 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
That only works if the US population is spread evenly among 50 states. It is not. 10 states have more than half the US population. Electoral College is not affirmative action. The US is a Constitutional Republic and this method ensures 10 states don’t get to overrule the other 40.
You're just repeating yourself now. No matter how you spin it, you're giving those "40" states more voice than their numbers. Everything after that is rationalization.
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Originally Posted by flyprdu
You're just repeating yourself now. No matter how you spin it, you're giving those "40" states more voice than their numbers. Everything after that is rationalization.
Shy is repeating it over & over because he is correct.

Everything you’ve said is irrational…
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