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Old 09-24-2022 | 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by 05Duramax

21 of the smallest states make up roughly same population as California. They have 42 senate votes, California has 2. That’s wild.
Sure would be wild if we didn't have the House of Representatives. Oh, and how many electoral votes again?
Old 09-24-2022 | 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
Look at the political shift of places like Orange County and Pasadena. Used to be staunch republican now all moving to the left. I'd argue that it's the blue collar conservatives, sick of far left policy, stupid high COL, and taxes, are the ones fleeing to places like Texas, Georgia, Nevada, Arizona, and Florida. Then they get there and realize their conservative by California views are far left by local standards and they unfortunately set about to turn their new home back in to California.
Yep.... you're right. Here's a great video showing just that...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlDWzN6TW5Y
Old 09-24-2022 | 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
Yep.... you're right. Here's a great video showing just that...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlDWzN6TW5Y
Lol. It's funny because it's true.
Old 09-24-2022 | 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
Sure would be wild if we didn't have the House of Representatives. Oh, and how many electoral votes again?
The Senate has the power to confirm judges, the Senate shapes the judicial branch. Voters in small states have way more power to affect the judiciary than those in larger states.
Old 09-24-2022 | 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by nene
First of all, talking about California in generalities is a fools errand. The state is like 5 different distinct states mashed together, geographically, economically, and politically.
Originally Posted by Excargodog
Not unlike every other state (excepting apparently Oklahoma):


2016 presidential election by county:

Originally Posted by Margaritaville
The problem with your argument:

Population of Oklahoma: approximately 4 million.
Population LA County: approximately 10 million.

I could go on.

California is definitely unlike every other state. It's like its own country. And like it or not, when 1/8 of the US population lives there, yes their laws wag the rest of the country.
You clearly didn’t understand what my “argument” was (and it wasn’t an argument, it was a statement). Ie, there is considerable political diversity in almost EVERY State. Even hard core Oklahoma has 33% Dems. They just happen to be spread out more evenly in Oklahoma than other states.

But if you look at the general trend, the nesting habits of Repubs tend to be the sparsely populated rural areas, those of Dems tend to be the big cities, and the suburbs are pretty much split. Nothing special about CA in that regard. It’s just bigger and more populous than most states.
Old 09-24-2022 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by 05Duramax
I’m not sure the founding fathers could imagine how extreme population and therefore power has gotten distributed.

21 of the smallest states make up roughly same population as California. They have 42 senate votes, California has 2. That’s wild.
Now compare the House of Representatives.
Old 09-24-2022 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by 05Duramax
I’m not sure the founding fathers could imagine how extreme population and therefore power has gotten distributed.

21 of the smallest states make up roughly same population as California. They have 42 senate votes, California has 2. That’s wild.
Back in the 1790s, two or three states had more population than all the others of the 13, combined. They set it up that way. Intentionally. To have everyone work together, so they set up the House, to give bigger voice to the high population states and the Senate to give bigger voice to the low population states.

All laws have to be passed by both. Everyone had to work together.

That’s wild, isn’t it?

Wisdom.
Old 09-24-2022 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 05Duramax
The Senate has the power to confirm judges, the Senate shapes the judicial branch. Voters in small states have way more power to affect the judiciary than those in larger states.
So..... you really do want absolute control? Do you even know how the laws are made in this country and what is the point of the House of Representatives?
Old 09-29-2022 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Wingedbeast
Census and government data show you're wrong.
All one needs to do is look at one way Uhaul rates into and out of CA to know the actual truth.
Old 09-29-2022 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Wingedbeast
Census and government data show you're wrong.

Um, no…you should really drill down into data before you read a title and start quoting sources. Here is an example of another data point in the Census info you purport to cite to that hardly supports the mindless echo chamber narrative…

“Alabama, which also could lose a congressional seat depending on the final census count, does have a budding immigrant population, some without legal status, that’s helping to boost the state’s population—though it’s growing more slowly than the country as a whole, said Nyesha Black, a demographer at the University of Alabama’s Center for Economic and Business research. “One of the reasons our school-age population hasn’t dropped, which would create more issues, is the growth in Hispanic students,” Black said. “The reality is that it isn’t just California that’s an immigrant-receiving state. It’s Alabama as well.”

…so, Alabama would have a population decline and House loss — those darned over-taxing socialists again! - but for those dependable immigrants! Sure, that really supports your narrative, but you keep doing you…it’s cute.
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