Originally Posted by Arctichicken (Post 3500636)

Read the executive summary a few times and pay close attention to the implementation section. Oh by the way, how’s our third step coming along? This TA looks more and more like a yuge turd. Most of us senior guys can do well with $306/hr and sail off into the sunset but how about we think as a team this time?!?! Section 25 needs to be explained in detail as there can be many loopholes from language such as “at the discretion of crew scheduling”. 12 days off on reserve (13 off in maybe 3 months out of the year) still does not address the QOL issues for our junior pilots. For me, the slap-in-the-face signing bonus along with willingly handing the company a bigger bat to beat us with and drag on future negotiations without being penalized is a no-go.

Originally Posted by Pilotsoup55 (Post 3500641)

Well said. Line holder Captain here. I’m worried about the new people. Look beyond the pay. Your vacation day is worth less than your daily guarantee. Doesn’t make sense.

Originally Posted by MeteorA113 (Post 3500645)

OTZ is going pretty far out of his way to put down anyone who doesn't agree with saying yes to this TA. Like people said, go to the roadshows, bring up questions. One dude on APC (OTZ) isn't the voice of reason or should be who you look to for making your voting decision on. Surface level, I'd vote no on this. Good luck everyone.

Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 3500634)

10 years, with no pilots… are you kidding. You do understand how economics work?

uhm NK is making $260 an hour🙄

Originally Posted by KnockKnock (Post 3500654)

Of course you only look at hrly rates. You're a child that just found out how to use emojis. You would have voted yes to the $280 offered by JL because $280 is more than $266. You're a simple person and that's o.k.
We don't have pilots NOW and it's not preventing them from putting out a TA that leaves a lot money on the table. What changes in 10 years?
If you understood economics and you also believed anything you write, why would you be a yes voter if the company,(according to you), NEEDS us to vote yes prior to Nov.1st? Based on what you say, we vote NO, we get more, because, economics....

Originally Posted by FL410 (Post 3500656)

I will not make any decision, yes or no until I see the whole TA, talk to my rep and go to a roadshow. Then, I will have a full view and decide yes or no. There are too many uncertainties with just reading the executive summary.
The podcasts are uploaded so I will be listening to them also. All of you should too.

Originally Posted by KnockKnock (Post 3500654)

Of course you only look at hrly rates. You're a child that just found out how to use emojis. You would have voted yes to the $280 offered by JL because $280 is more than $266. You're a simple person and that's o.k.
We don't have pilots NOW and it's not preventing them from putting out a TA that leaves a lot money on the table. What changes in 10 years?
If you understood economics and you also believed anything you write, why would you be a yes voter if the company,(according to you), NEEDS us to vote yes prior to Nov.1st? Based on what you say, we vote NO, we get more, because, economics....