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KnockKnock 09-24-2022 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by CordovaCA (Post 3500662)
If you understood economics you'd realize the yield curve is most inverted since the early 1980s. Good luck dragging this thing out and hoping for better results. Perhaps the MEC was advised this is the time to lock in work rules and scope. Are you all the same people who kept saying my MEC speaks for me? We have pilots. Also have over 3k apps on file.

Those 3K apps are on file at every airline. Guess where they'll choose to go either before or after training starts? We DO NOT have the same access to pilots as the bigger airlines.

Yes, I absolutely said, "My MEC speaks for me". They still do, it's how Unions work. So if we say this falls short, they will go back to management and relay that message. How is that hard to understand? There were 3300 different asks, some issues important to me didn't get solved and I don't agree with what was put out. Not to mention the implementation of this CBA is so diluted, we wouldn't see the major improvements until half the contract has gone by. I'll vote no. That how this works.

Pilotsoup55 09-24-2022 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 3500684)
A line holder gets 5 and a RSV gets 5 above guarantee. You get that 6 times a year if you work a holiday
30 a year if you work them all. I mow lawns so I don’t have to work holidays 😂

Nah, you pick up open time during contract negotiations.

OTZeagle1 09-24-2022 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by Doctor13 (Post 3500650)
Doesn't make sense for a lot of people, but one of the highest if not the industry highest. With the new work rules you could use your vacation (as little as a week of days) and only work 6-7 days that month. Easy to figure out when you call a rep and ask for a detailed description. Everyone needs to quit bashing and do your homework first. Yes the "retro" sucks, but go ask a rep what they actually wanted to give and what they were going to take away if ALPA kept pushing the retro. Doesn't mean you should vote yes or no, just go get information before being an emotional A$$. Thats for everyone, not just the one Im responding to

Weren’t you bashing yesterday? Sorry if I got the wrong guy. It’s been really loud. Good on ya for checking things out. Most on here are illiterate, they will need their hands held. They only know two things, anger and hate

I don’t think any of the 30 even remotely understand section 25

Doctor13 09-24-2022 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 3500691)
Weren’t you bashing yesterday? Sorry if I got the wrong guy. It’s been really loud. Good on ya for checking things out. Most on here are illiterate, they will need their hands held. They only know two things, anger and hate

What was I bashing?

OTZeagle1 09-24-2022 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by Doctor13 (Post 3500694)
What was I bashing?

Me, I am pretty sure. Don’t worry I am used to it though. I come on here for 10 minutes and then go bash my head into a wall over and over again.

dbrownie 09-24-2022 12:39 PM

Outside guy here looking in… looks like an easy no vote.
Retro alone, rewarding company for dragging this out?

Hourly rates aren’t terrible but there is much more than that.
Sorry this doesn’t bode well for the industry if it passes.

OTZeagle1 09-24-2022 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by dbrownie (Post 3500702)
Outside guy here looking in… looks like an easy no vote.
Retro alone, rewarding company for dragging this out?

Hourly rates aren’t terrible but there is much more than that.
Sorry this doesn’t bode well for the industry if it passes.

Oh, right doesn’t bode well for the industry, I had no idea. I’m changing my vote now. Yeah Alpa National was blind sided by this TA… We actually tried to do this all on our own, without Nationals help… they are very upset, this is a travesty, thanks for coming over and setting us all straight👌

Do you even have a clue about how our section 25 will work, mr Brown easy no?

LonesomeSky 09-24-2022 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by OTZeagle1 (Post 3500666)
We all just might need the language in section 1 more then the company actually needs a long term deal 🤔

Says a management shill who wants us to rush this contract so they can start the stock buy backs. There's no reason Alaska's stock should be languishing in the low 40s. As soon as we start the buy backs and paying dividends, the stock will climb back into the 60s. That's why OTZ wants you to hurry up and vote yes. That's the November surprise.

PorkyMcFuzz 09-24-2022 12:48 PM

Another outsider here with a handful of new-ish hire buddies at Alaska and all wishing they could vote no on this as well from what they have told me. Good luck guys, ya'll deserve and can get much better.

MeteorA113 09-24-2022 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by PorkyMcFuzz (Post 3500710)
Another outsider here with a handful of new-ish hire buddies at Alaska and all wishing they could vote no on this as well from what they have told me. Good luck guys, ya'll deserve and can get much better.

Same. This was their tipping point on whether or not they wanted to jump ship. If it passes, they don't want to stick around.


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