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Old 11-02-2022 | 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Arbitrarily moving numbers around is why you got 5-6% annual pay share in 2020 and 2021 at a time when other airlines gave their pilots a profit share of $0.00
We get it. You are VERY pro management.
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Old 11-02-2022 | 07:54 PM
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Should be closer to the top end of the PBP scale this year. Wouldn't be surprised to see 9%. On the investors call they mentioned additional costs due to higher than normal PBP.

Historically expect 5-10% of salary plus and extra tiny bonus for on time performance paid out quarterly.

Yet the angry 18 are wishing we were back in rebuild mode getting a new NC MEC and waiting to bring the mediator back.

Enjoy retro, signing bonus then PBP all lined up for a big few months!

I'm expecting to see
8k retro
33k signing
28k PBP

Oh and a couple thousand more from ESPP gains. 70k over 3 months on top of new salary sounds good to me.
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Old 11-02-2022 | 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by h8ngman
Performance Based Pay program, arbitrary moving goal posts set by the board and management every year so you don’t ever hit them all and get full profit sharing. Program historically averages 6-7% and isn’t considered 401k eligible
”Target” is 5%, max is 10%. So averaging above target isn’t bad.
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Old 11-02-2022 | 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by All Bizniz
Call me a cynic, but could it be their strategy to massage the numbers to only pay 5-6% in the great years (when it should've been > 10%), and then in less profitable years, they come out smelling like a 🌹, by still paying out 5%, assisted by the bounty from the previous record years?
Management derives a large portion of their income from the profit sharing/incentive program. Their “participation rate” is much greater than our 5% target. But it’s the same metrics that drive their bonus…so massaging the numbers would be shooting themselves in the face…
All this stuff is available in the proxies filed with the SEC, no mystery.
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Old 11-03-2022 | 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by CordovaCA
Should be closer to the top end of the PBP scale this year. Wouldn't be surprised to see 9%. On the investors call they mentioned additional costs due to higher than normal PBP.

Historically expect 5-10% of salary plus and extra tiny bonus for on time performance paid out quarterly.

Yet the angry 18 are wishing we were back in rebuild mode getting a new NC MEC and waiting to bring the mediator back.

Enjoy retro, signing bonus then PBP all lined up for a big few months!

I'm expecting to see
8k retro
33k signing
28k PBP

Oh and a couple thousand more from ESPP gains. 70k over 3 months on top of new salary sounds good to me.
Current calculator estimate is 7.9% which is including through 3rd quarter and projecting (estimating) on 4th quarter.
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Old 11-03-2022 | 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by AK22
Management derives a large portion of their income from the profit sharing/incentive program. Their “participation rate” is much greater than our 5% target. But it’s the same metrics that drive their bonus…so massaging the numbers would be shooting themselves in the face…
All this stuff is available in the proxies filed with the SEC, no mystery.
You sir, get to go to the front of the class.

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Old 11-03-2022 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by All Bizniz
You sir, get to go to the front of the class.
Cool bruh, keep floating those unsubstantiated theories though…
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