Ohio

PLC is 14 hours.

Av8rRr

We can all wish we had Delta’s contract.

CordovaCA

I'll take our true 14 hour call out over Deltas 10am start day one carvout. 2pm makes day one commutable from nearly anywhere. 10hr callout day one ruins the whole point of LC.

Avgeek7248

ah my bad I don’t ever bid it so that’s my mistake for the bad info.

Cruz5350

Tell me you don’t know what you’re talking about without telling me you don’t know what you’re talking about.

CordovaCA

Anything to add other than the attack? I admit I haven't read their CBA. I was told day 1 they can get a 10am start vs our 2pm guarantee. Soon all of our pilots will have the ability to guarantee LC with a true 14hr callout 2pm start day 1.

ShyGuy

Had a Delta jumpseater to SEA and the stuff he said was completely surprising.

So on reserve, I asked him if you can pick up a regular pay trip on days off for extra pay? He said no, at straight pay the trip would count towards your monthly bucket (so you time out sooner) but the pay would not go above guarantee.

I asked how you get extra pay on reserve days off? He said it's only with green slips (the premium 200% or 150, I forget). And that green slips are bid in seniority order so as time gets near to the trip, if a senior guy has a request in for the green slip on that trip, then you don't get it.

So if you are one of these 12 month street CAs, can you get green slips approved? He said unlikely.


That's a complete 180 from what I thought Delta had. I thought at Delta you could pick up a 2-day trip at regular pay any time out of the opentime pot and get paid on top of guarantee, and they had to remove 2 reserve days later in the month - a rolling thunder. Apparently, this was completely not the case.

Back2future

- If a Reserve pilot is assigned a rotation with more than 18 hours to report, they are
released from availability up to 24 hours prior their assigned rotation’s report time.
- 1st day earliest rotation report is 18 hours after the pilot begins their first on-call day
- A rotation may be assigned that reports as early as 10 hours after the pilot begins their
first on-call day (same as current practice), if such rotation is assigned at least 12 hours
prior to the end of the pilot’s last non-fly day(Currently, only 9 hours is required)

So, no 10 hour callout the first day but you can definitely start your first day at 10am.

nene

True that a reserve pilot cannot just pick up open time on days off. As a reserve, a green slip can be awarded (in seniority order, with the caveat that once you had one, you go to the back of the line for #2 etc) on your days off, but a reserve gets the straight value of that trip over and above guarantee and the next future on call days converted to days off unless there are no more on call days in which case you get "pay back" days to drop trips in future months.

"Rolling thunder" requires a pretty undermanned category for a given month and is an anomaly, not a regularity.

The thing that makes Delta different from AK is that Delta has many bases and aircraft types, so a temporary manning issue can develop as the pilots are much less interchangeable than when nearly everyone is qualified for every trip.

ShyGuy

I get that. This month I'm on reserve by choice and when I didn't get used for 3 rsv days and had 5 days off, I was able to go into open time and add a 2-day trip and a 1-day trip on my 5 days off, driving reserve from 79 hr guarantee to 96 hrs credit. And the way I justify it living in base is I wasn't used on the 3 rsv days and was home anyway, felt that I was basically off, and now going to actually go to work 3 days on days off for extra money.


I've asked around buddies at other airlines, not all of them can you just pick up straight open time on reserve days off for extra pay - at any time you want. They seem to have caveats for only premium - like Delta.

It's one really good thing we have on reserve at AS.