I agree. I hope that some can see the wisdom of a no vote at the next opportunity to do so.

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Seems like most fail to remember that this takes place twice. The negotiating team didn’t get out played, the thirty are just bitter. Worst case this is what happens less than 13mos from now. There is nothing childish about any of this. The company knows they have to snap next September, to build the company, they are going to pay band this September. Maybe our management isn’t as bad as so many of you on here let on.

There were folks who expressed valid concerns about the deficiencies in this contract and problems with the specific language that it contained but they were disregarded. Many were so convinced that a recession was right around the corner that they were willing to vote “yes” on almost anything as long as they got a pay raise of some type and their precious PBS. Stupid is as stupid does. In spite of all of this, I still hold a glimmer of hope that BM and ST will see the importance that compensation plays (among other things) in attracting and retaining pilots and will bump us up to industry standard Sept 1.

Why does the raise have to come in September? If they're giving us a raise outside of the provisions of our CBA, they could potentially do it anytime. It's in their best interest to delay.

Operationally, things are going fine. We made it through summer and the Airbus transition. In four weeks, the schedule pulls back for fall. Where's the emergency?

On the economy front, it looks more and more like we're headed for a soft landing, but that's not guaranteed. What manager is going to stick his/her neck out and issue an unnecessary raise three months before plowing into a recession? Why not go so slow? Wait for smoke or even fire, then pull the fire handle.

And, at some point, we will reach peak pilot shortage. I don't know when that happens, but it will happen. It's another reason to delay.

Shy makes a valid point, albeit over and over and over again. People who want to leave will leave. There are very few fence sitters. The cost to convince people to stay will be huge. It'll take base options, schedule flexibility, work rules changes, and entirely new payscale with increases everywhere. Management won't go there until they're forced by circumstances.

For the next 13 months we will sit 10-14% behind our peers with a worthless snap clause.

Some of us sounded the alarm.

What a bunch of amateurs.

Not gonna happen… We will snap this year, BM will absolutely be the reason for this. None of the thirty will give him credit, they will turn their anger to our lack of bases🙄🙄🙄. It’s basic economics, most of the angry 30 are incapable of understanding this. Our management team maybe isn’t as evil as many on here protest… maybe even actually a good group, maybe even a smart group… but never as brilliant as the angry thirty geniuses on here😂

I'll make you a deal Eagle. If management does come to the rescue, I will absolutely give thanks and appreciation for the unscheduled raise.

But as of right now, this just looks like a failure of contingency planning on a massive scale by the union.

Hyperbole much?

Why are some of you so upset at the union, if the pay rate we negotiated, was around where the pilot polling said would be acceptable, and, also suggests it was around the rate where all the other MECs were? Our union said on multiple occasions they were all conferring closely with each other about payrates at the time.

Is there the belief that our union deliberately misled the Alaska pilot group on these points?

Stop trying to rewrite history. There were people screaming to go back to the table for more money after the regionals got $215+. Anyone who went to a coffee chat and pushed for more was patted on the head and called "unrealistic."

You called the weak snap a "strategic assumption." I call it "negligent negotiating." Whether or not that was malicious, I would say Hanlon's Razor applies.

Results matter.

I agree with you to some extent. But one party wanting to come back to the table after agreeing to a contract is not at all unusual. We just have to appreciate that it could go both ways...

Can you share why you think "we were outplayed, short-sighted and took the bait"? Pretty emotive language that suggests management ran rings around our NC. I happen to think that overall, they handled themselves well. Would love to get your thoughts.