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ShyGuy 04-28-2026 08:01 AM


Originally Posted by airb320 (Post 4028490)
Best news I’ve heard in a long time, the sooner the better 👏

AA is the worst run, worst managed legacy airline burdened with TONS of debt.

Jetlikespeed 04-28-2026 08:08 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 4028773)
AA is the worst run, worst managed legacy airline burdened with TONS of debt.

so was United circa 2010 get the right c suite and management team and things can turn around look at UA now

AA paid down a lot of debt in Q1 and will most likely make money this year we will not

lets not throw stones from our glass house

ShyGuy 04-28-2026 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by Jetlikespeed (Post 4028777)
so was United circa 2010 get the right c suite and management team and things can turn around look at UA now

AA paid down a lot of debt in Q1 and will most likely make money this year we will not

lets not throw stones from our glass house

No stones thrown, just the facts. Your glass house example is comparing AS to what *could* happen to AA in terms of UA’s turnaround? That’s like marrying a 500 pounder and saying she could look like Beyoncé if she follows a 2010 diet and excercise plan. Possibility, sure. Likely, no.

Besides with widebodies here and payrates/retirement matching legacies (minus this year with 17 v 18%), what’s the push? It sounds like sole desire for it involves gaining pilot bases outside the west coast without having to do a seniority reset. If so, fine, but just say that.

AA sucks. :)

TTail 04-28-2026 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 4028750)

No major has ever merged their regional FFD into mainline, that I recall. COMAIR probably came closest, but look where that got them.

There were serious talks of giving all the USAirways WO pilots mainline seniority numbers in the 2005/2006 time period. There were hundreds of furloughs on the street and the company was deep in bankruptcy, so there wasn't a whole lot of value. It never went anywhere though after the America West merger sucked up all the bandwidth.

ShyGuy 04-28-2026 10:26 AM

Actually there was a SLI between Frontier, Republic, Lynx, and Midwest. I don’t think it came to fruition in any real way, but there is precedent of A320 mainline with RJ for seniority integration.

rickair7777 04-28-2026 12:26 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 4028823)
Actually there was a SLI between Frontier, Republic, Lynx, and Midwest. I don’t think it came to fruition in any real way, but there is precedent of A320 mainline with RJ for seniority integration.

Forgot about that one, but it was pretty weird. Lot of moving parts.

tallpilot 04-28-2026 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 4028863)
Forgot about that one, but it was pretty weird. Lot of moving parts.

It happened in stages. Midwest first and basically stapeled. Then Frontier and Lynx. Frontier blended in and Lynx also basically stapeled.

The real magic was disintegrating Frontier later. That's a pretty rare event.

LaserRacer 04-29-2026 05:48 AM

Splitting it off again wasn’t that hard. They were treated as a separate entity the whole time they were owned by Republic holdings. A pilot from one of the Republic regionals had no way to get onto the Frontier list and vice versa.

MinRest 04-29-2026 05:55 AM


Originally Posted by Jetlikespeed (Post 4028777)
so was United circa 2010 get the right c suite and management team and things can turn around look at UA now

AA paid down a lot of debt in Q1 and will most likely make money this year we will not

lets not throw stones from our glass house

We will absolutely make money this year.

You need to add context to the finances in order for it to make sense. AAL has been horrifically run in the past and has always carried high amounts of debt. They have some aging fleets and have been mounting debt for years instead of clearing it. AS on the other hand, has bought an airline that was losing money and doesn't carry lots of debt. Our warchest is a much larger percentage-wise than AAL.

AAL is 34.7 BILLION dollars in debt. Clapping that they made a Q1 profit is like a Waffle House worker saying they made money because they got their paycheck, while carrying 25k in credit card debt...

khergan 04-29-2026 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by MinRest (Post 4029094)
We will absolutely make money this year.

You need to add context to the finances in order for it to make sense. AAL has been horrifically run in the past and has always carried high amounts of debt. They have some aging fleets and have been mounting debt for years instead of clearing it. AS on the other hand, has bought an airline that was losing money and doesn't carry lots of debt. Our warchest is a much larger percentage-wise than AAL.

AAL is 34.7 BILLION dollars in debt. Clapping that they made a Q1 profit is like a Waffle House worker saying they made money because they got their paycheck, while carrying 25k in credit card debt...

Didn't they just lose $382 million in Q1, which was mostly before gas prices even starting spiking?


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