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pete2800 11-06-2017 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by jayme (Post 2461501)
Single percentage digits? That shouldn’t change. If you’re 15/3000 instead of 9/1700, what’s the difference?

I'm willing to bet it will shift a lot more than that. I've actually been trying to get a copy of some date-of-hire info for the VX seniority list so I can tell exactly how it's going to go.

ShyGuy 11-06-2017 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by pete2800 (Post 2461538)
I'm willing to bet it will shift a lot more than that. I've actually been trying to get a copy of some date-of-hire info for the VX seniority list so I can tell exactly how it's going to go.

Save yourself the headache, that data won't do you any good nor can anyone tell exactly how it's going to go.

Ispeakjive 11-06-2017 08:07 PM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 2461288)
So its fair if "relative position" places a 10 year Virgin Captain next to a 30 year Alaska Captain? Don't be surprised if you start seeing "Hired not Acquired" bag tags at an airport near you.

Lame. Why stoke infighting?

Packrat 11-07-2017 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 2461494)
Please read the document. Career Expectation doesn’t have anything to do with what you think or expect as a pilot. It’s a qualifier for narrowbody and widebody.

Right. "Career expectations" replaced Date of Hire in the Merger/Fragmentation Policy in the early '90s. It was pushed at the BoD by the United Pilots (the 900 lb. gorilla at the time) when there was a United/USAir merger (which eventually failed) in the wind. The sole reason for the change was to keep USAir pilots OUT of UAL widebody seats.

With two narrowbody airlines like AS and VX the term is meaningless.

Packrat 11-07-2017 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by airb320 (Post 2461404)
Relative Senority is the fairest thing out there, period! There maybe some concessions due to retirements being higher the next few years but besides that relative seniority is the way to go.

Only if you're a VX pilot.

Packrat 11-07-2017 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by Klsytakesit (Post 2461437)
Likely The Integrated Seniority list will occur entirely between 1996 and April 2016...Those senior to 1996 will be excluded and everone after April 2016 will be date of hire anyway

This makes the most sense to me. Throw a "No Bump, No Flush" clause in there to protect the VX Airbus Captains and you've got a winner.

Mea25000 11-07-2017 09:43 AM

This SLI will be entertaining to watch play out. The first face to face meeting is almost laughable. The only thing the two sides will be able to agree upon is that there will be no deal. Once that agreement is met, the first significant blow is landed by Alaska, as the longer this draws out the better it is for us. From there on it’s catered lunches and pathetic stabs at compromise. Fall of next year we will all have our answers. I have seen this SLI run 6 different ways. Each different way bring prosperity to some section of the pilot group at the expense of another. I am pretty confident how it will end up, seeing what I have seen so far. Who knows though. This thing may shock all of us.

VirginEskimo 11-07-2017 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by Mea25000 (Post 2461903)
This SLI will be entertaining to watch play out. The first face to face meeting is almost laughable. The only thing the two sides will be able to agree upon is that there will be no deal. Once that agreement is met, the first significant blow is landed by Alaska, as the longer this draws out the better it is for us. From there on it’s catered lunches and pathetic stabs at compromise. Fall of next year we will all have our answers. I have seen this SLI run 6 different ways. Each different way bring prosperity to some section of the pilot group at the expense of another. I am pretty confident how it will end up, seeing what I have seen so far. Who knows though. This thing may shock all of us.

Cop out!....If someone says they're confident, I'd like to hear it. Go ahead. We're all family here!

Klsytakesit 11-07-2017 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by Mea25000 (Post 2461903)
This SLI will be entertaining to watch play out. The first face to face meeting is almost laughable. The only thing the two sides will be able to agree upon is that there will be no deal. Once that agreement is met, the first significant blow is landed by Alaska, as the longer this draws out the better it is for us.

Let me fix it for you you knucklehead......The longer this draws out the better it is for Brad and Ben. We will have no unity for sec 6 and we will vote in another”time value of money” contract.....like contract 200

EskimoJoe 11-07-2017 09:00 PM


Originally Posted by Klsytakesit (Post 2462234)
Let me fix it for you you knucklehead......The longer this draws out the better it is for Brad and Ben. We will have no unity for sec 6 and we will vote in another”time value of money” contract.....like contract 200

Then just roll over and forfeit your career without a bare knuckle fight? What strategy do you suggest?


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