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Newstick189 04-10-2018 06:40 AM


Originally Posted by DENpilot (Post 2568757)
SPECI KFSD 081633Z 12017G27KT 1/4SM +SN FZFG VV006 M02/M04
A2981 RMK AO2 PK WND 14028/1607 TWR VIS 1/4 P0002
T10221039 RVRNO=

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...432Z/KLAS/KFSD


I don't know of any commercial aircraft with a crosswind limit of greater than 15 knots on a contaminated runway.... Yet, they were clearly landing runway 21, with a 17 G 27 direct crosswind... Even if the MD-80 has a x-wind limit higher than that... who would attempt landing on that garbage with heavy snow, 1/4 mi vis and no RVR??? No smart pilot would.....

Good job, guys. Lucky you didn't kill anyone.

Allegedly tower reported 5/5/5 and 1800rvr.

According to that, I would have also shot the approach.

ecam 04-10-2018 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by DENpilot (Post 2568757)
SPECI KFSD 081633Z 12017G27KT 1/4SM +SN FZFG VV006 M02/M04
A2981 RMK AO2 PK WND 14028/1607 TWR VIS 1/4 P0002
T10221039 RVRNO=

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...432Z/KLAS/KFSD


I don't know of any commercial aircraft with a crosswind limit of greater than 15 knots on a contaminated runway.... Yet, they were clearly landing runway 21, with a 17 G 27 direct crosswind... Even if the MD-80 has a x-wind limit higher than that... who would attempt landing on that garbage with heavy snow, 1/4 mi vis and no RVR??? No smart pilot would.....

Good job, guys. Lucky you didn't kill anyone.

https://www.abc15.com/news/national/...-to-icy-runway

Hey DENpilot was this you? :rolleyes:

I mean really. Who shoots an approach in the heaviest freezing rain storm anyone can remember?

Good job guys. Lucky you didn't kill anyone.

julietalpha 04-10-2018 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by DENpilot (Post 2568757)
SPECI KFSD 081633Z 12017G27KT 1/4SM +SN FZFG VV006 M02/M04
A2981 RMK AO2 PK WND 14028/1607 TWR VIS 1/4 P0002
T10221039 RVRNO=

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...432Z/KLAS/KFSD


I don't know of any commercial aircraft with a crosswind limit of greater than 15 knots on a contaminated runway.... Yet, they were clearly landing runway 21, with a 17 G 27 direct crosswind... Even if the MD-80 has a x-wind limit higher than that... who would attempt landing on that garbage with heavy snow, 1/4 mi vis and no RVR??? No smart pilot would.....

Good job, guys. Lucky you didn't kill anyone.


Originally Posted by DENpilot (Post 2568759)
Even more interesting.... the ILS to runway 21 cannot be shot without at least 1/2 mile vis....

Maybe before you throw stones, you do 5 seconds of research.

All I did is listen to the LiveATC archive -- and guess what I found:

Minutes before approach they were given a runway condition code of 5/5/5. Which means - WET - not contaminated - good braking action.

A few minutes before landing they were given the latest weather - Crosswind GUST didn't even exceed 20 knots. Runway 21 RVR TDZ (only controlling one for CAT1) of 1800.

And wouldn't you know, the approach chart for the ILS to 21 requires 1800 RVR.

So let me ask you, what would a "smart pilot" do? Not land on a runway that they are legal to per the most up to date information they were given?

Again, please do a few seconds of research before publicly calling out a fellow professional.

Lugar 04-10-2018 06:49 AM

I heard that Maury Gallagher was on the airplane. This could get interesting.

mizza21 04-10-2018 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by ecam (Post 2568959)
https://www.abc15.com/news/national/...-to-icy-runway

Hey DENpilot was this you? :rolleyes:

I mean really. Who shoots an approach in the heaviest freezing rain storm anyone can remember?

Good job guys. Lucky you didn't kill anyone.


Glad to see you know what's a Frontier airplane and what's not. :rolleyes:

Horrible attempt at humor.

JustWatching 04-10-2018 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by Lugar (Post 2568969)
I heard that Maury Gallagher was on the airplane. This could get interesting.

No he wasn’t, but even had he been, how would this get interesting as a result?

100LL 04-10-2018 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by DENpilot (Post 2568759)
Even more interesting.... the ILS to runway 21 cannot be shot without at least 1/2 mile vis....

21 is 1800 RVR for any aircraft. With snow, visibility is a roller coaster and when that last meter came out to when the plane began the approach for all we know rvr must have gone up enough to permit the approach.

Blackhawk 04-10-2018 08:39 AM

There but for the grace of God go I.
Landing in DTW a few winters ago with a strong cross wind. We were the first one in after the runway cleared was cleared and were assured MU's better than 40. After touching down on 4R my feet went to the floor on the brakes and... we didn't slow down. Tower asked if we could make 9L. Nope. Y5? Nope. Finally slowed enough to make Y7. I told the tower braking action was poor at best, but I guess they didn't believe me. Big Blue Airbus landed after me and didn't get slowed until the end. He told them it was NIL. They believed him and shut it down.

BrewCity 04-10-2018 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by DENpilot (Post 2568759)
Even more interesting.... the ILS to runway 21 cannot be shot without at least 1/2 mile vis....

I'm seeing 1800 RVR required for the straight in ILS to 21 (assuming nothing was NOTAM'd inoperative).

GreatBigSea 04-10-2018 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by mizza21 (Post 2568974)
Glad to see you know what's a Frontier airplane and what's not. :rolleyes:

Horrible attempt at humor.

Like most news articles that show a picture of a Boeing but call it an Airbus, they got it wrong.

The article shows a picture of a 170 but states, "None of the 139 passengers on the flight from Denver was injured and the airplane never left the pavement..."

Reading is hard.


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