I agree with this statement. Management does not value the pilot group. Less than human, well put.

Same thing applies to our EXCO. Treating us like sheep: "Don't question authority, too many things behind the scenes for you to worry about. Its inside baseball stuff. In solidarity."

Exco didn’t call us sheep. You did. As the management troll you are.

NO ONE is buying what you're selling. Hell, I don't even work there and can see through your BS.

I hope you're being paid well. Just how much DO they pay you to give up your self respect? That's assuming you actually had any to begin with.

I can only speak for myself but I’m happy with what the union is doing. I’ll go on my merry way for my third furlough and hope things get better at some point. Then when I get recalled I’ll actually want to come back because this job will not suck. Gut the contract and I’m out.

In regards to the ETO you’re just missing the point. If pilots bid for ETO and there are no reductions in furlough numbers then what’s the point in anyone taking a pay cut.

I don’t even know why I’m wasting my time talking to you. It’s clear you’re either management or someone that is so misinformed and inexperienced you have no idea what you’re talking about.

If you are one of the 100 I suggest you get busy finding a job or based on your attitude so far I guess it would be getting busy filling out unemployment paperwork. You seem like the kind of pusssy that wants someone else to make sacrifices so you don’t have to...

Are we gonna be stuck being the lowest paid AB320 pilots until 2026 at the earliest? Yes. But I would hope at this point we would stop putting our head in the sand and pretending that everything is fine and figure out a way to preserve jobs and keep our qwl.[/QUOTE]

The fox has shown its fur.... hey management it’s be nice to be valued as a team member and not as a spare part taking up hanger space... nice to know that furloughing 275 pilots for an entire year would save 20 million when John Redmond a hotel guy got 15 million last quarter. How’s the swamp in express doing by the way? How many millions of airline money is sinking in the mud?

[QUOTE=rdneckpilot;3130367]I can only speak for myself but I’m happy with what the union is doing. I’ll go on my merry way for my third furlough and hope things get better at some point. Then when I get recalled I’ll actually want to come back because this job will not suck. Gut the contract and I’m out.

In regards to the ETO you’re just missing the point. If pilots bid for ETO and there are no reductions in furlough numbers then what’s the point in anyone taking a pay cut.

I will never agree to a pay cut unless the EXCO said the company was in dire straights. Voluntarily ETO is a different animal, I would take a year off just for selfish reasons, if it saved a fellow pilot from hitting the street, great. Win, Win.
Maybe the company would agree to ETOs with no strings attached, maybe the wouldn’t. Also maybe only 5 pilots take it because what the company offered was so bad. Who knows? The sad thing is, is we will never know and it is looking more and more that we may be one of the few companies that furlough.

[QUOTE=G4er;3130408]Finally some actual sense being talked in this thread.

You guys go ahead keep pounding your chests then follow these inexperienced union leaders right off the cliff like a bunch of lemmings. The fact that so many of you are willing to throw our bottom pilots away so you can keep your pay and QOL speaks volumes about this classless pilot group.

If a government leader told you to blindly follow orders and not question authority you would lose it, yet your union leaders tell you that and you stand "in unity". The brainwashing is amazing. They take your money and give you absolutely nothing in return. Our dues are higher than everyone else yet management keeps wiping their butts with our contract. We have a handful of arbitration wins. Big deal. All that did was get back a few things they stole from us years ago before many of us even worked here. This union is completely reactionary. They have no vision. Them just now asking for financials is an f'in joke. Nate nailed it: they were certain of another bailout that didn't come. Oops. That's a major tactical error. Now 200 pilots are going to lose their jobs and hundreds more downgrade and get displaced. All because of a lack of vision and a failure to see this dire situation for what it is. And none of you care. You just keep making fun of anyone who dissents and call us management or scabs. No we are line pilots who are being held hostage between an evil and desperate management group and an incompetent union. Any CEO who tells you not to question authority and just wait and see results that never come would be fired in an instant in the corporate world. Why do you all keep drinking the union koolaid and blindly supporting these clowns? Because it fulfills your selfish needs. The ugly truth is none of this effects you so you don't care and you hide behind the union.

Stay classy.

Someone should ask the chairman why he is based 2000 miles from where he lives. Is it to manipulate seniority and inflate his pay? I also heard the two trustees from the airline division overseeing his new personal local are getting paid $10,000 a month each from our dues money. The chairman is also a trustee is he getting this "bonus"? I wonder who else is getting their palms greased in the trucker union. If that's true, people should really be questioning authority. There is a reason they are so strong about squashing questions and dissent. A boatload of money is going out the back door. Yet we are being told to shut up and take one for the team.