They've made it clear the medium term plan is to hire restricted ATP's, flight school kids, and foreign pilots. By the time they realize this won't work, another year will have gone by.

There isn't any contract coming this year, the timeline is pretty much set in stone - the union is not going to negotiate until the mediator is involved, that will take several months and usually is only 2-3 days per month. A very slow process, with lots of ego and bad blood between both parties.

The best case scenario at this point is the company gets bought, and the toxic management team is eliminated. Allegiant is past the point of no return, the company is already on its way to irrelevance and the pilot group is taking a big risk sticking around to see what the ending will be.

Hiring ATPs is the new cool thing to do at the ULCC level and has since trickled up to Jetblue. I’m surprised it took Allegiant this long to start.

Working at JetBlue or Frontier looks good on Instagram etc. Layovers in fun cities flying brand new shiny jets. Working at Allegiant, that Flint or Provo base and 20 year old jet makes it hard to flex. Those ATP guys probably won't even stay around 1 year before they bail.

How do y’all think Spirit voting in their new rates will affect us? It won’t help. Hopefully the mediator and management realize the unique situation Spirit is in and don’t think we are anchored to the yellow bus.

Don't look at just rates, look at total compensation.

Spirit did that 5 years ago when the union shot down their final proposal before we got put on ice. They also published it openly for all employees to see. Ramp, gate, FA's, etc. Hoping to pit everyone against us by exposing just how much money our greedy pilots were turning down.

P.S. We voted in industry standard pay anyways back in 2018, and we just did it again.
P.P.S. Sorry 'bout that.

You mean rates + retirement as total compensation? Or what?

Everything, rules, softpay, etc.. We can't be blinded by fancy rates only.

spirits new TA is not industry leading. It’s a this is what you get and you can take it or wait 5 years when do the merger contract.

Dangit! I so poorly mis-spoke in my previous post! And I can't edit it.

This is what I meant to say. Substandard pay in 2018, Substandard pay voted in yesterday!