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rdneckpilot 01-13-2023 04:21 AM


Originally Posted by TangoIndiaMike1 (Post 3569825)
do you have a source for this information because noones ever heard of this info until now? you really shouldn’t blame AR for the company shooting itself in the foot.

If you walk into a room and observe a man holding an empty gas can, you smell gasoline and he’s holding a match is it really necessary for someone to tell you they are burning down the place?

Do you need to see notes from a strategy meeting?

Would a video on Facebook make it real?

just asking. Cause sometimes it really is as simple as observing what’s actually happening.

my observation yields two conclusions.

AR thinks he can shrink the airline into a contract he wants.

MG knows he can build a highly profitable airline with 50 airplanes, 500 pilots and the current contract. Throw in a little revenue from Airbus leases to allegiants cousin in Mexico and there’s plenty of cash for hotels and race cars.

They are working towards the same goal. Only one is aware.

Margaritaville 01-13-2023 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by rdneckpilot (Post 3570272)
If you walk into a room and observe a man holding an empty gas can, you smell gasoline and he’s holding a match is it really necessary for someone to tell you they are burning down the place?

Do you need to see notes from a strategy meeting?

Would a video on Facebook make it real?

just asking. Cause sometimes it really is as simple as observing what’s actually happening.

my observation yields two conclusions.

AR thinks he can shrink the airline into a contract he wants.

MG knows he can build a highly profitable airline with 50 airplanes, 500 pilots and the current contract. Throw in a little revenue from Airbus leases to allegiants cousin in Mexico and there’s plenty of cash for hotels and race cars.

They are working towards the same goal. Only one is aware.

We have a winner.

captnate702 01-13-2023 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by rdneckpilot (Post 3570272)
If you walk into a room and observe a man holding an empty gas can, you smell gasoline and he’s holding a match is it really necessary for someone to tell you they are burning down the place?

Do you need to see notes from a strategy meeting?

Would a video on Facebook make it real?

just asking. Cause sometimes it really is as simple as observing what’s actually happening.

my observation yields two conclusions.

AR thinks he can shrink the airline into a contract he wants.

MG knows he can build a highly profitable airline with 50 airplanes, 500 pilots and the current contract. Throw in a little revenue from Airbus leases to allegiants cousin in Mexico and there’s plenty of cash for hotels and race cars.

They are working towards the same goal. Only one is aware.

All I can do is agree again. Redneck from the top rope.

captnate702 01-13-2023 06:40 AM


Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3570391)
In other news, I heard from some friends that the mediator that's been assigned, Eva Durham used to be a labor hating VP at ASA who used to beat the FAs up. Allegedly she ruled that department by fear and intimidation right up until she was asked to leave. Definitely not going to be a friend of labor in these negotiations. Maury couldn't have paid more for a better choice.

Just saw her resume on LinkedIn and the NMB website. she has extensive ULCC experience as management at both F9 and NK.

Margaritaville 01-13-2023 06:40 AM

In other news, I heard from some friends that the mediator that's been assigned, Eva Durham used to be a labor hating VP at ASA who used to beat the FAs up. Allegedly she ruled that department by fear and intimidation right up until she was asked to leave. Definitely not going to be a friend of labor in these negotiations. Maury couldn't have paid more for a better choice.

SladeTin 01-13-2023 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3570397)
In other news, I heard from some friends that the mediator that's been assigned, Eva Durham used to be a labor hating VP at ASA who used to beat the FAs up. Allegedly she ruled that department by fear and intimidation right up until she was asked to leave. Definitely not going to be a friend of labor in these negotiations. Maury couldn't have paid more for a better choice.

Lol, reading her bio made me think Tracy’s long lost sister had been assigned as our mediator. That’s going to go great!

Margaritaville 01-13-2023 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by SladeTin (Post 3570483)
Lol, reading her bio made me think Tracy’s long lost sister had been assigned as our mediator. That’s going to go great!

Exactly. They could be twins. Sounds like Maury won the jackpot with this one.

captnate702 01-13-2023 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3570502)
Exactly. They could be twins. Sounds like Maury won the jackpot with this one.

I think she is exactly who AR and his culinary attorney wanted. I bet they handpicked her. AR probably used his army of lobbyists and IBT brand to get the perfect mediator for us.

Or at least that’s what we will be told. This looks like a huge L for the union. Feels like MG is playing chess and we are playing checkers. Curious to see what AR has to say about it.

Look at the resumes of the other mediators, it seriously looks like MG handpicked the exact mediator he wanted.

CLDriver 01-13-2023 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by rdneckpilot (Post 3570624)
VFN has no impact on contract. Delta is getting ready to vote on a new contract and those pilots were picking up green slips the entire time.

Don’t think they had an exodus either. Pretty sure they can fill new hire classes easily.

You need to pay closer attention to what’s really going on.

Outside looking in, no dog in it - but Delta vs Allegiant is apples to asparagus.

TangoIndiaMike1 01-13-2023 09:24 PM


Originally Posted by rdneckpilot (Post 3570624)
VFN has no impact on contract. Delta is getting ready to vote on a new contract and those pilots were picking up green slips the entire time.

Don’t think they had an exodus either. Pretty sure they can fill new hire classes easily.

You need to pay closer attention to what’s really going on.

seems like what is going on is an airline that cares for its pilots?


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