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SloNLow 05-12-2026 11:57 AM

Did a robot write that union update 🤖

Should I be happy?

It did state AIP. So, I think I’m happy.


CptGSXR 05-12-2026 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by JustWatching (Post 4034850)
This is a rumor started by one of the old NC members (most are gone, he’s still here.. won’t’ be hard to figure out who it is) to try and stir the pot. He’s angry RJ got us a contract to vote on that isn’t Delta+ and that made Super Bowl Sunday a paid holiday.


Guess the FO that said it was correct after all. Progress but no deal.

captnate702 05-12-2026 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by Hightime80 (Post 4034948)
I don’t even know where to start with this but it’s gonna be before January.
First if you’re not a complete idiot and can read you would know that it’s RJ‘s fault that we got put in trusteeship! Read the transcripts for yourself, he admits he filed false allegations that were found baseless. Those allegations are what allowed GU to push for an emergency trusteeship from O’Brien. RJ then worked with GU and was his prime witness in the trusteeship hearing. You tell me if 2 years under GU made us weaker or stronger?
Fast forward to January…in an effort to keep IBT on property he delayed a bridge deal in pursuit of a contract despite being told that there was little chance of getting a contract before the merger close. In fact he was told there has never been a full contract successfully negotiated after a merger announcement. Thus in delaying he shat the bed and left us crying in our own feces at the mercy of the company.
I’ll make a deal with you right now, if our pay rates on this bridge deal are better than the dec 2014 mailer rates I’ll delete this account and never post again. If you think your boy did better you can man up and make the same deal.

2 years of GU absolutely made us weaker but that I don’t blame RJ because the alternative to GU would have been more Robles and you should know how I feel about him by now. TLDR: Robles and GU are in a mortal deadlock for who did more damage to Allegiant pilots.

there’s too much gray area imo to litigate whether more Robles or GU trusteeship was worse.


i am just talking about January to the present. Since that time RJ did exactly what he was elected to do. The alternative would have been JR, Jay, J Allen, and the GU mafia. RJ is absolutely better. There is no way we would have even gotten PBS done if the old regime were still in power. Never forget the mantra of the old IBT regime is that they are COWARDS. They are terrified of making a deal because they are thin-skinned, hyper sensitive, ego maniacs that would rather do nothing than agree to a deal.

had the Unity team won we would have rolled into JCBA without a bridge/contract, and gotten destroyed at SLI and then JR, Jay and GU would have used their only playbill and screamed that the arbitrator was in management payroll/corrupt and that is why we all lost a decade in a relative seniority to SY pilots.

That is the only game the IBT knows because they are all cowards and too afraid to make a deal. They’d rather just blame others, tell us that the mediators are corrupt, the NMB is corrupt, management is bribing ppl, etc.

I think if RJ gets anything done it will be better than whatever the old regime could have done. It takes real cajones and leaderships to make a decision when all the options suck.

pipercub 05-12-2026 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 4034989)
2 years of GU absolutely made us weaker but that I don’t blame RJ because the alternative to GU would have been more Robles and you should know how I feel about him by now. TLDR: Robles and GU are in a mortal deadlock for who did more damage to Allegiant pilots.

there’s too much gray area imo to litigate whether more Robles or GU trusteeship was worse.


i am just talking about January to the present. Since that time RJ did exactly what he was elected to do. The alternative would have been JR, Jay, J Allen, and the GU mafia. RJ is absolutely better. There is no way we would have even gotten PBS done if the old regime were still in power. Never forget the mantra of the old IBT regime is that they are COWARDS. They are terrified of making a deal because they are thin-skinned, hyper sensitive, ego maniacs that would rather do nothing than agree to a deal.

had the Unity team won we would have rolled into JCBA without a bridge/contract, and gotten destroyed at SLI and then JR, Jay and GU would have used their only playbill and screamed that the arbitrator was in management payroll/corrupt and that is why we all lost a decade in a relative seniority to SY pilots.

That is the only game the IBT knows because they are all cowards and too afraid to make a deal. They’d rather just blame others, tell us that the mediators are corrupt, the NMB is corrupt, management is bribing ppl, etc.

I think if RJ gets anything done it will be better than whatever the old regime could have done. It takes real cajones and leaderships to make a decision when all the options suck.

What info that has been given that makes you thing we are not getting Rolled by the current EXCO. The lack of real info should be concerning. Just keep pushing it past the 13th at all cost.

SladeTin 05-12-2026 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by pipercub (Post 4034990)
What info that has been given that makes you thing we are not getting Rolled by the current EXCO. The lack of real info should be concerning. Just keep pushing it past the 13th at all cost.

This update was by far the most disappointing one I’ve had to read so far. Why the cloak and dagger BS making us wait over the weekend for the “big news” until Tuesday? An AIP means absolutely nothing. Converting that to a TA can be months/years/never. This should be the final straw for anyone wanting an excuse to go.

G4er 05-12-2026 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by SladeTin (Post 4034992)
This update was by far the most disappointing one I’ve had to read so far. Why the cloak and dagger BS making us wait over the weekend for the “big news” until Tuesday? An AIP means absolutely nothing. Converting that to a TA can be months/years/never. This should be the final straw for anyone wanting an excuse to go.

Reaching an agreement on principle is worse than the progress emails? What color is the sky in your world?

Shrek 05-12-2026 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by SladeTin (Post 4034992)
This update was by far the most disappointing one I’ve had to read so far. Why the cloak and dagger BS making us wait over the weekend for the “big news” until Tuesday? An AIP means absolutely nothing. Converting that to a TA can be months/years/never. This should be the final straw for anyone wanting an excuse to go.

You've got to be joking or this is your first Section VI.

SladeTin 05-12-2026 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by G4er (Post 4035003)
Reaching an agreement on principle is worse than the progress emails? What color is the sky in your world?

In my dark, gloomy, gray skies world….yes, this is worse. It’s basically exactly what you said, another “progress was made” email. If it had included details I’d feel differently. If it said something like “we’ve reached an agreement and are currently working to finalize a TA. This should be done in the coming days/weeks. Here are some highlights of the agreement…” I would feel differently about it. As it stands right now, this was another nothing burger. But by all means, you guys go ahead and feel great about it. We’ll see if you still feel that way months from now after the company has changed their mind on everything citing “unforeseen economic climate.”

captnate702 05-12-2026 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by pipercub (Post 4034990)
What info that has been given that makes you thing we are not getting Rolled by the current EXCO. The lack of real info should be concerning. Just keep pushing it past the 13th at all cost.

I’m comparing RJ to prior leadership, nothing else. If Unity wins then we are guaranteed to get nothing annd go into JCBA with a way worse contract than SY annd get destroyed during SLI arbitration.

So far he is doing better than prior leadership. An AIP is not nothing. PBS is done.

pipercub 05-12-2026 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 4035018)
I’m comparing RJ to prior leadership, nothing else. If Unity wins then we are guaranteed to get nothing annd go into JCBA with a way worse contract than SY annd get destroyed during SLI arbitration.

So far he is doing better than prior leadership. An AIP is not nothing. PBS is done.

yep roll over and give the company exactly what they want. No communication or polls to the pilots your suppose to represent. Yep your right amazing job.


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