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Jim Rockford 09-13-2022 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by Spdbrd (Post 3493975)
The company isn’t “waiting” for the NMB. It will be the Union that applies to the NMB for assistance, once all proposed language for the new CBA has been drafted, and if the company continues to not negotiate “in good faith”. Sure, the tide *could* change, but that seems unlikely based on past behavior.

And even if/when this does happen, the NMB cannot force the company to do anything. I’m sure they have every intention of dragging this out as long as they can to avoid paying and treating us properly. What the NMB can do is declare an impasse which could ultimately enable us to strike.

A strike will never be allowed.

captnate702 09-13-2022 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by Jim Rockford (Post 3494052)
A strike will never be allowed.

I think a strike will never be allowed at one of the big four airlines. For little old allegiant, i could see a world where the NMB releases us and the president doesn't call for a PEB, and then congress chooses not to intervene.

We are gonna get a look at how "union" friendly this administration and congress are with the railroads who are itching to strike over work rules and pay.

flydiamond 09-13-2022 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3494088)
I think a strike will never be allowed at one of the big four airlines. For little old allegiant, i could see a world where the NMB releases us and the president doesn't call for a PEB, and then congress chooses not to intervene.

We are gonna get a look at how "union" friendly this administration and congress are with the railroads who are itching to strike over work rules and pay.

the economic repercussions of a railroad strike far , far exceed the effects of even a legacy airline striking.

captnate702 09-13-2022 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by flydiamond (Post 3494105)
the economic repercussions of a railroad strike far , far exceed the effects of even a legacy airline striking.

Absolutely. You think supply chain was messed up with covid, wait til you see a rail strike...

flydiamond 09-13-2022 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3494165)
Absolutely. You think supply chain was messed up with covid, wait til you see a rail strike...

It ultimately won't happen (unless congress is unable to act due to bickering, which wouldn't entirely surprise me). The fact that they were released by the NMB from mediation into a cooling off period moved the ball quite a bit since the overwhelming majority of unions now have TAs...it is only about 2 of 12 unions who are still at a stalemate over sick time usage (sounds familiar). The other unions will honor any strikes though (think pilots honoring a mechanics strike), which will shut down the entire system.

I believe the last airline that entered a cooling off period was Spirit in 2010 and that resulted in a strike... so to say we would never be released (@Jim Rockford) is naive and cowardly.

captnate702 09-13-2022 11:43 AM


Originally Posted by flydiamond (Post 3494193)
It ultimately won't happen (unless congress is unable to act due to bickering, which wouldn't entirely surprise me). The fact that they were released by the NMB from mediation into a cooling off period moved the ball quite a bit since the overwhelming majority of unions now have TAs...it is only about 2 of 12 unions who are still at a stalemate over sick time usage (sounds familiar). The other unions will honor any strikes though (think pilots honoring a mechanics strike), which will shut down the entire system.

I believe the last airline that entered a cooling off period was Spirit in 2010 and that resulted in a strike... so to say we would never be released (@Jim Rockford) is naive and cowardly.

The 2 out of the 12 that are still at a stalemate are the two largest rail unions (per the WaPo) so even if the other unions don't honor the strike, the supply chain issues will be crippling.

Be Realistic 09-13-2022 01:48 PM

I think strikes are a moot point. If we are 1 year down the line without the company playing ball, the senirorty list will shrink so bad, they wont be able to staff the new planes. Park and expensive 737 and watch that share price. Even senior guys will jump ship when displaced in the inevitable bid when it happens.

I don't care what some of you know it all's think, Blackstone ain't going to let MG or JR stay in position if things go that bad. Watch them end up with the rest of the board on the street. Nobody is that irreplaceable, and not even MG can survive the meltdown that is on the horizon.

He will have to cave way before that, or he will become history. And at that point G4 will become cheap for the staff (pilots and mechanics) and the airframes. Perhaps even breeze will have done better and will raise enough capital to take hold of stubborn G4.

flydiamond 09-13-2022 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by Be Realistic (Post 3494300)
I think strikes are a moot point. If we are 1 year down the line without the company playing ball, the senirorty list will shrink so bad, they wont be able to staff the new planes. Park and expensive 737 and watch that share price. Even senior guys will jump ship when displaced in the inevitable bid when it happens.

I don't care what some of you know it all's think, Blackstone ain't going to let MG or JR stay in position if things go that bad. Watch them end up with the rest of the board on the street. Nobody is that irreplaceable, and not even MG can survive the meltdown that is on the horizon.

He will have to cave way before that, or he will become history. And at that point G4 will become cheap for the staff (pilots and mechanics) and the airframes. Perhaps even breeze will have done better and will raise enough capital to take hold of stubborn G4.

wouldn’t be the first time a founder / ceo was ousted. See David Neelman / Jet Blue. Also happening at Peloton rn.

Jim Rockford 09-13-2022 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by flydiamond (Post 3494193)
It ultimately won't happen (unless congress is unable to act due to bickering, which wouldn't entirely surprise me). The fact that they were released by the NMB from mediation into a cooling off period moved the ball quite a bit since the overwhelming majority of unions now have TAs...it is only about 2 of 12 unions who are still at a stalemate over sick time usage (sounds familiar). The other unions will honor any strikes though (think pilots honoring a mechanics strike), which will shut down the entire system.

I believe the last airline that entered a cooling off period was Spirit in 2010 and that resulted in a strike... so to say we would never be released (@Jim Rockford) is naive and cowardly.

Cowardly….what an odd response. Anyway, sorry to disappoint you but it wont happen despite the name calling. Maybe someone from the last round during the obama years no less, will school you.

kevin18 09-14-2022 02:42 AM


Originally Posted by captnate702 (Post 3493995)
Out of touch comment? I just said I agreed that’s not going to happen. Context context context. 9easy said Allegiant should do what SkyWest, Mesa, etc did and I said that won’t happen. News flash: Mesa’s rates are only good for 2 years and then they go backwards and revisit them. That would be the worst thing that could happen here. No way we do a Mesa style deal here.

odd that I found myself here. The LOA is good for 3 years or until we sign a TA at Mesa. There is no expiration on the rates. They just don’t go up after three years. Not sure where you got the two years, that’s not mentioned anywhere in the LOA.


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