It's why your opinions mean nothing.

Well that’s an insightful response. How about expanding on why you posted that? every comment on this site is based on opinion. Some use facts and/or experience of a situation to support their rhetoric, others just punch the keyboard.

So tell me exactly why my opinion means nothing.

Ha, cause it’s even worse: they’re incapable of forming an opinion.

Are you able to sit reserve at a base that is not your hub? I know a couple of airlines (regionals mainly) who allow you to sit reserve at another base sometimes.

if you are based in FNT and live in Orlando, you cannot just call scheduling and ask them if you can sit your reserve in SFB.

The only way to get out of the reserve days in FNT would be if they post ‘drops’ in opentime got FNT. That’s when h th hey have excessive pilots available for the day. You can then drop your reserve, drop 3.75 hrs of pay and then that day you are not obligated to be in FNT. You can now pick up a reserve or trip in another base if there is one in open time.

Guess how many drops you I see in some of the bases……. Zero! Some have a few from time to time but it won’t get you out of your commute very often

According to the union information just posted, the latest comprehensive pass by the company (new contract offer) is regressive (worse than current).

we really are still years away at this rate

Honestly didn’t need that update to see that. In todays industry with regionals making more the first few years and then only maxing out $20 less an hour with better work rules, vacation, min day and actual seat movement there’s no reason for anyone to come to allegiant. Then you have management sending emails that the pilot pool dwindling which is false because it’s 100% a pay issue and work rules issue. With this information in mind when we hear the company passed back section 3 to the union it’s just a slap in the face because the company is trying to underpay the pilots more then they already are. We all knew it was regressive a few weeks ago.

This seems so familiar.

In other news, Captain Nate and the other management trolls saying a great contract is right around the corner seem to have vanished. The silence is deafening.

But he had a great source!

Again find one post from me where I said a contract would happen soon . I have always said it would be 2024 at the earliest. But go ahead with your fake news margi.

I had a good source on some intel, you said I was lying, that the union would never be stupid enough to pass compensation so early in the negotiation game. I was right, the union did pass compensation so now you literally make stuff up that I didn’t say. Oh well, keep spending your days looking for nonsense to spread.

Anyone who thinks a contract will happen in 2024 is delusional. We're at that point in the graveyard spiral scene where the airspeed is going up and pulling back further isn't helping. We're passing the Vno speed now. Can the ship be righted with minimal damage now? Sure. By 2024 we'll be beyond Vne and pulling the wings off this bird in a terminal dive.

We can still staff summer 2023 if we keep everyone AND we fill classes the next 3 months. If not, we're in a world of pain that no amount of bandaids will repair. Think of how much cutting we did this summer and pretend that's the best case for summer 2023?

The fact that it's in our investor calls is warning enough.

New Hire question
 

I like that analogy. My favorite one a leaky damn. It’s already got a few leaks going over( pilots) and once a few more start leaving then it’s gonna bust.


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It's almost as if the management has given into some sort of Tiktok/Fox News/Zero Hedge narrative that a huge recession is coming and there is no need to worry about staffing up.

Allegiant management thought they could read the tea leaves during covid and they failed spectacularly. They furloughed into the biggest hiring wave in 2 decades, wasting tens of millions in training costs, alienated the remaining employees, and lost an opportunity to lock in pay rates at 2020 levels when the union would have probably been willing to take a Sun Country style contract. Now they're taking a second shot to whistle through the graveyard, by slow-rolling the contract negotiations while much better airlines are hiring as aggressively as possible.

All true, its been a pretty massive overall failure by them. They rolled the dice and put their union busting firm’s advice on top and lost a lot of revenue in the process.

In 2025 when we get a new contract, most of you guys are going to feel silly for all your posts.

If you only live one hour from ABE. After training apply to United. EWR is very junior. United hires a lot from Allegiant. Hiring 8000 over next 5 years. EWR has unfilled CA vacancies. Hiring into every airplane including 777/787. United dropped 4 year degree, TPIC and new mins 2350 total time.

23 Lehigh Valley resident & 35 United (ex CAL) pilot. No disrespect to Allegiant pilots but no comparison between both companies and long-term careers.

No offense dude, but you guys live 60% of your life in 10x30 hotel rooms.

If you’re commuting,to a narrowbody fleet type, maybe.
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I know a Delta A330 pilot near me who bids reserve & often has to hit the sim to stay current.
At a legacy you can find a niche to suit your taste if you want to be home.

If this stalemate continues much longer gonna be a lot of Allegiant folks who fit your description.

Its been a good ride but nothing lasts forever.

Indeed. Maury finally ran into a riddle that “we’re smarter/we’re different” isn’t gonna solve….

only if you want to

at least not now with the seniority progression.

It’s easy to look at past circumstances and assume nothing has changed.

Im still on probation at mainline and average 18 days at home. I’m also in one of the more senior bases.

I enjoyed Allegiant but am glad I left. Anyone that’s happy there should stay but many of the past reasons for staying don’t exist at the moment.

I have a interview at Allegiant, I’ve scanned this thread for awhile. I am a JR FO at a regional airline living in base. Only interested in CVG, IND, or VPS. What’s the current wait on those bases, and approximate reserve time? A little apprehensive to come here with what everyone is saying about how long the new contract could be. I would be taking over a 30k pay cut.

3, 4 and 6 pilots waiting for those bases, respectively, so *not* being offered to new hires, and the wait could be 2 months after training or 2 years since each one is so small. It's incredibly hard to say especially as hiring has slowed to a trickle and with each base being so small. Past performance does not indicate future results.We have pilots hired in Dec 21 who can't hold IWA and that base was going to new hires in Summer 21. Be sure to factor the cost of a shared apartment or such into your pay cut as many of our bases don't have crash pads and/or the schedule is too not conducive to one. And yea with management passing regressive language to the union the whole NMB process will likely need to play out which can take years.

I second the above if you come here plan on working for a while under the current agreement - as an example the 3 most senior FO’s at a certain base were recently all awarded reserve - Allegiant cheerleaders go ahead and rationalize that one. At least a couple more years of the current CBA also plan financial reserves for eventual possible self-help.If you can afford the first year & want to live in one of the small bases & have the patience to maybe wait up to a year to get it then it could be a fit for those independently wealthy or otherwise not concerned with maximizing earnings/retirement.

Probably more then 30k because you will be on reserve and not able to pick anything up. Make sure you calculate $56 an hour at 70 hours. No bonus, No profit sharing, and senior guys all get the 200% pay. VFN. Your better off upgrading and getting that regional CA pay which is better then any FO pay you will ever get at allegiant.


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I recently received an interview invitation (military R-ATP min) and am debating whether or not to proceed as I already have a class date with SkyWest at the end of Dec.

I would love to live in Austin, TX. What’s the likelihood to get AUS out of training? Do you think I should stick with SkyWest waiting for a spot in IAH? My goal is to move back to Texas to be close to our family members.

Thanks!


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5 pilots waiting to get in for what is only a 15 pilot base. It would prob need to have an additional aircraft added, but that won't happen until there is a new contract that draws new hires in. It really sucks being the last pilot hired which is basically the situation we're in.

First off, thank you for your service.

I think the way to approach your situation is ask yourself, do you HAVE to be based in AUS? If the answer is yes, and you can live with the much lower 1st year pay, live with maybe commuting to Flint or Provo for possibly a year or more while you wait for AUS, and live with the understanding your AUS base might close at any time - come on in and Allegiant is fortunate to have you!

Otherwise - lot’s of airlines with IAH/DFW bases are gonna be falling all over themselves to hire you. Go to Skywest while you figure out which airline to make your career choice.

It really depends. I wouldn't mind being the bottom pilot at a small base. You are the only reserve for 3 flights a day (AM or PM bank that you are legal for). So if none of the 3 pilots in your seat call in sick, you aren't getting used. Even better is once the flights leave, there's no extra airplanes around and you are free. So your reserve is really covering 3 pilots and is only for ~4 hours.

IWA/LAS/FL are different beasts. It's more airline like and being a reserve means you're the reserve covering 15+ flights (plus MX and ferry flights). It's highly likely someone is going to call in sick so you're getting used and due to the schedule there is a constant dribble of flights outside the big pushes.

I see FNT mentioned as a newhire option, is GRR also, or is it a senior small base and not likely available to a newhire?

Thank you for the insight, I didn’t want the recruiters to sell me a dream. What is the reason that hiring has slowed, is the company bleeding FOs to legacies still?

I love the concept, I wish things would improve for you guys. It seems like a lot of grief currently.

That’s on the table, I’m a bit apprehensive to leave with Regional CA pay being 150 these days. I have a interview at F9 as well. Ultimate goal is to be at the legacies, not sure if getting a 320 type will speed that up, or hanging in there for upgrade. Love the concept of Allegiant, and would love to be VPS CA, could see myself making that a career. But F9 may be a better option.

The company is losing FO’s to regionals and the big 4.

I was more referring to being able to get one's desired base when so little hiring is happening. I agree the small base reserve isn't a bad deal. I bet that it goes way more senior if a new contract increases total days off, pay etc on reserve.

GRR had 2 spots offered to a recent class, FNT had zero. While they may have been junior when they were new, that can quickly change when the bases are so small.

Losing FO's to regionals should be a huge eye opener. But I guess enough planes aren't being parked or they plan to shrink.

While anything can happen, all perspective new hires should plan for 6 months in FNT, DSM, KATW, or KABE.

Anything can happen though as we are rapidly losing pilots. If you actually live in one of the above cities this may be a great opportunity for you. Having said that it is unclear whether we can sustain our small base strategy or not.

Our lack of contract is really hurting us. And our managements tactic of now moving in a regressive direction has made everyone’s worst dreams come true in that it could be another year or 2 to get something done.

At this point, I personally am no longer worried about the contract but instead worry that we may not even survive as an airline. I think the focus should turn to merger with Sun Country or Frontier.

I think the next few months will be telling - do enough Allegiant pilots finally wake up & look past their next months’ home-every-night schedule to realize the long-term implications of missing this hiring wave? If you see attrition start to snowball to where it’s 25,30,40 per month then this place won’t be able to downsize or recalibrate fast enough to avoid meltdown.

If it continues at the current 15 or 20 per month then I think with some targeted base closings & downsizing they can still make it work enough to remain viable.

It'll only take a month or two of large attrition to bring things to meltdown mode. The downside with the microbase strategy is, if 3-4++ guys bail in a given month from a microbase, the base falls apart and basically shuts down. We saw this to a lesser extent earlier this year when half the LA FO's bailed in about a month.