so our leverage is that we will throw a temper tantrum and be ****ed if we don’t get a deal before JCBA?

we have zero leverage which is why we don’t get a deal before JCBA. Don’t get your hopes up. I’m hearing the last couple didn’t go well and that the union has even less leverage than we thought. Just kept hearing over and over how Unterseher has *******ed us and it will take years to recover. Old NC is to blame too, but Unterseher and his handpicked lackey Wentz have *******ed us with the NMB. Needless to say the IBT is gone. O’Brien is an idiot for pretending to know anything about pilot labor or the RLA. Still can’t believe Unterseher has been able to destroy this group.

1) CVG will be the next announced Max base (rumor). It will operate as a midcontinent base to spread out flying and have crews in place for Amazon. MSP WILL SHRINK!!! But I wouldn't think displacements, more like no backfilling and those who already commute will more than likely end up in CVG (perhaps IND) The Max was MEANT to fill out an order because the NEOs were too expensive and far out. That has changed since the company can't grow a single route organically, in fact overall load factors have shrunk. So eventually all Airbus will be retried.

2) No attrition whatsoever. Like none. Not sure if I'm allowed to post links or direct people to outside websites, but there is a G4 pilot that runs a seniority tool you can access, this information can be gotten on the social media pages both pilot groups have access to. Last month only 4 G4 pilots left property despite the few on here and on FB claiming 50% of all pilots are trying to leave.......so just goes to show you how most people are just talking out their @@@. In fact, according to the company (take with giant stack of salt) they are overstaffed. This is true....sorta.

It's the mini base structure that is hurting the company; it is both the reason people aren't leaving and the reason a contract can't get done. For example, a base like VPS (one of many mini bases) only has 3-4 months of flying a year, in that span they fly 95 hours monthly and makes the company lots of money, the rest of the year it's minimum guarantee for pilots and like 50-60 hours of flying. This means they (the company) are paying pilots NOT to fly. Hence the current impasse with contract, the company it trying to eliminate this waste and the small base pilots want Delta Pay +10 and not work 9 months of the year. So no contract.

3) I think my explanation in section 2 answers 3 as well. Tho I will take a moment to point out that the Toonsters did hire an outside negotiator that agreed with the company to allow for Forced Upgrades and tracking software on personal devices. Not sure if that got fixed or not. Haven't gotten a single new hire in over a year.

Yes you can if it's useful relevant info, in the correct forum, and not blatant advertising or spam.

AS gave us a couple years extension on the regularly scheduled raises, to bridge the gap between the end of the AS 2022 contract and JCBA. Didn't address any other contractual issues but probably still the best way to do it.

1. Eventually all 73’s will be retired too, they are getting rid of the older planes. It’s not a commitment to a single fleet type its a practice growth decision. If the can pick up more airbuses that match our ops requirements they will.

2. That tool and the seniority list are both a bit behind. People are leaving but not like they were before the retention bonus…biggest leverage killer ever but wasn’t much we could do about it. Its either mini bases or overnights, we need somewhere to park planes at night. I wouldn’t argue that the small bases are a detriment to getting a TA after all they were the companies idea not the pilots. I’ve heard management goes back and forth on them but as with anything at G4 if it was cheaper to get rid of them and do overnights we would. Also DL + 10 is about right by the way, they are in sec 6 again and by they time they sign their next TA our DL +10 will be -40.

3. Meh this part is a quasi true. John Owen who is one of the best negotiators in the industry is who the union hired. But then the Toonster stooges fired him because they said he was too friendly to the guys that were in there before GU. Probably just some excuse because he wouldn’t be GUs fluffer. Anyway somewhere in the chaos of GU’s reshuffling and firing of NC members to find ones loyal to him GU missed or allowed that company change. It wasn’t John bc someone leaked the language of that section when he left and it clearly protected against tracking.

Also side note: Im curious what the SY scope section says for merger protection. our CBA requires that a SCBA (JCBA) be in effect before SLI.

Then you're good, JCBA will have to be done first. They can't violate your scope, even if the SY CBA says something different.

Extreme hypothetical, if one CBA said JCBA then SLI and the other CBA said SLI then JCBA, the company would have to negotiate how to reconcile the conflict. If they couldn't get the unions to agree to some compromise, then legally they can't do the merger.

In reality SY either has the same provision (likely since they're ALPA) or they'd be happy to do JCBA first anyway... all you have to do is read up on US east to know why.

Sorry to sidetrack this convo because I am learning a lot. Do you think G4 management looks at SY’s Amazon “focus cities:” BNA (duh), BWI, AFW, MSY, CVG (duh), SBD (vomit), etc and sees opportunities to build pax flying in any of those regions?

I feel like one of the keys to this merger panning out well for the business is to grow the airline into markets that mimic what SY does in MSP.

I think it’s a fair assessment to say CVG and BNA would continue with the cargo complementing the scheduled service and seasonal flying. I know we’ve been trying to expand BWI and MSY for a time. It all will depend on which side of the coin this small base idea lands. Personally I don’t think they will get rid of it. Just not enough gate space in places like IWA, PGD, SFB…etc. cheaper to make small bases than overnight and pay for hotels, contract mx, gate space and the like.

No more temper tantrums allowed my friend. From what I've heard, there is collaboration happening on both sides. Remember when a certain candidate running for President claimed that that's what he was bringing to the negotiating table back in the elections of 2023? I think we all do. From what I've heard all parties involved in mediation last week were pleased with the progress, and there appears to be appetite to expedite this CBA issue. The company is seeing an uptick in resignations with all the hiring, and since the acquisition announcement they are on the same page as the union on the urgency of the matter. I remain firm on a TA reached before or by June.

We shall see, They have very limited time or the company punts this tell after the deal closes. I would say they have 60 days to get the deal done. No more temper Tantrums the King of Temper Tantrums telling others to chill. I guess we will see how long your loyalty will hold for the current group.