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pipercub 01-11-2026 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by FloridaGator (Post 3990900)
I’m absolutely certain that we can’t risk going ALPA as G4 pilots because it would put our Retention bonus in jeopardy.

There will be false information reassuring us that we will still get this bonus if we switch…

But we absolutely need the cash to hit our accounts first before we make any changes.

Thats the kind of management we have here.

under what proof do you have that the bonus would be in jeopardy. The agreement was between management and the pilots, the reason its signed as teamsters is that they are the representing party at the time of signing. The pilot that signed the agreement was a G4 pilot. I have emails stating the company owes me not the teamsters that money. I would agree that confirmation from actual ALPA legal would be needed to verify that we would not void that agreement.

j12770 01-11-2026 06:18 PM

JR Cap at SCA
 
Not trying to upset any feathers but at SCA we have a 15% direct contribution. Most captain line holders hit the 46,500 max and get a good bonus check. As a 2nd year FO working hard, the company gave me 33K last year. What’s your retirement deal?

pipercub 01-11-2026 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by j12770 (Post 3990929)
Not trying to upset any feathers but at SCA we have a 15% direct contribution. Most captain line holders hit the 46,500 max and get a good bonus check. As a 2nd year FO working hard, the company gave me 33K last year. What’s your retirement deal?

E

Everything in our contract is crap. You would be had pressed to find a contract worse than ours in the us 121 world.

Highflyer35 01-11-2026 06:39 PM


Originally Posted by pipercub (Post 3990931)
E

Everything in our contract is crap. You would be had pressed to find a contract worse than ours in the us 121 world.

Great reason to join the ALPA side for a hard fought respectable 121 contract.

tailendcharlie 01-11-2026 06:39 PM


Originally Posted by j12770 (Post 3990929)
Not trying to upset any feathers but at SCA we have a 15% direct contribution. Most captain line holders hit the 46,500 max and get a good bonus check. As a 2nd year FO working hard, the company gave me 33K last year. What’s your retirement deal?

Allegiant pilots do not have a company retirement plan. 401k match is it.

FloridaGator 01-11-2026 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by pipercub (Post 3990911)
under what proof do you have that the bonus would be in jeopardy. The agreement was between management and the pilots, the reason its signed as teamsters is that they are the representing party at the time of signing. The pilot that signed the agreement was a G4 pilot. I have emails stating the company owes me not the teamsters that money. I would agree that confirmation from actual ALPA legal would be needed to verify that we would not void that agreement.

Bring that agreement to any labor attorney. I’ve spoken to everyone I can in our union as well as a myriad of contacts at other airlines.

The most senior people at this airline have received outside counsel on this matter.

There’s nothing I’d like more than to walk away from IBT….. but I will not take any action to do so until the cash hits the account in full.

I’m sure the company will tell us all otherwise…. But the agreement was made specifically with the teamsters. A move away from them would result in the company having the option of not paying.

pipercub 01-11-2026 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by FloridaGator (Post 3990937)
Bring that agreement to any labor attorney. I’ve spoken to everyone I can in our union as well as a myriad of contacts at other airlines.

The most senior people at this airline have received outside counsel on this matter.

There’s nothing I’d like more than to walk away from IBT….. but I will not take any action to do so until the cash hits the account in full.

I’m sure the company will tell us all otherwise…. But the agreement was made specifically with the teamsters. A move away from them would result in the company having the option of not paying.

I would for sure not take the companies take on this. I would also not take the IBT take on this either. The agreement was with the pilots via their rep at the time of the agreement. The agreement was with the pilot of G4 not IBT. IBT signed as the representation of the pilot.

DirkDiggler9999 01-11-2026 07:20 PM

It will be interesting to watch. With ALGT being the buyer, I’m sure they will want to bring SY over and gladly welcome them to the ALGT contract. Rumor talks are always cheap but when this stuff comes to fruition, it gets very complicated. I’m not really seeing these two as a compatible couple but it will be fun to watch.

pipercub 01-11-2026 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by DirkDiggler9999 (Post 3990945)
It will be interesting to watch. With ALGT being the buyer, I’m sure they will want to bring SY over and gladly welcome them to the ALGT contract. Rumor talks are always cheap but when this stuff comes to fruition, it gets very complicated. I’m not really seeing these two as a compatible couple but it will be fun to watch.

in what ways are we not compatible, The CEO of SY came from ALGT and they do basically the same thing on the pax and charter side as G4 only difference is the Cargo for Amazon. No base or major route overlap. For the two companies and stock holders its likely a great deal. we will see if employees get a share.

Hightime80 01-11-2026 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by KingChicken (Post 3990794)
Is there any demand at Allegiant to become an ALPA carrier?

Yes, we almost had a successful ALPA drive here over the summer. My guess is that Allegiant will be ALPA at the end of this merger


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