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Originally Posted by pipercub
(Post 3991103)
Joint contracts are always first than seniority. That is how the Virgin to Alaska went and that is how the Alaska Hawaiian is going.
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Originally Posted by tailendcharlie
(Post 3991110)
And you will undoubtedly hear a lot of rhetoric from G4 management about accellerated timelines, simplicity, flexibility, etc. The fact is, done - correctly - merger approval, SOC, JCBA, SLI, final merging of operations & employees - you're looking at 4 years out the door.
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Originally Posted by pipercub
(Post 3991103)
Joint contracts are always first than seniority. That is how the Virgin to Alaska went and that is how the Alaska Hawaiian is going.
I can't find any such language in MB or AM, which is what will govern ALPA+IBT. |
Originally Posted by G4poor
(Post 3990872)
The G4 pilots have an interim agreement between Allegiant air llc and the pilots in the service of Allegiant air llc as represented by the international brotherhood of teamsters airline division local 2118. It is an interim agreement for retention bonuses we have been accruing since May 2023. It says in there Allegaint air llc is the “company” and the international brotherhood of teamsters airline division is the “union” collectively the “parties.” It says we get our retention bonus 60 days following the ratification of the “parties” amended cba. So we have no choice but to go with teamsters until we get that money.
This is RLA stuff, not something which a specific company or airline is likely to be able to circumvent. The CBA is between the pilots and company. The union brand is just the label for the specific pilots elected to represent the group. You could change unions and keep all of the same reps. AGREEMENT EFFECTIVE November 1, 2022 – October 31, 2025 between ALASKA AIRLINES and the AIR LINE PILOTS in the service of ALASKA AIRLINES, INC. as represented by the AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL |
I am seeing a lot of the same posts on the SY thread for the merger, I ask all the SY pilots to just post on this thread only for anything merger wise. You will ya'll about to learn a lesson how the west was won....
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Originally Posted by g4stapler
(Post 3991229)
I am seeing a lot of the same posts on the SY thread for the merger, I ask all the SY pilots to just post on this thread only for anything merger wise. You will ya'll about to learn a lesson how the west was won....
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Originally Posted by tailendcharlie
(Post 3991250)
Whoever you are/whoever you really work for you're not funny.....
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Originally Posted by tailendcharlie
(Post 3991110)
And you will undoubtedly hear a lot of rhetoric from G4 management about accellerated timelines, simplicity, flexibility, etc. The fact is, done - correctly - merger approval, SOC, JCBA, SLI, final merging of operations & employees - you're looking at 4 years out the door.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 3991188)
I don't think that's correct, but of course ya'll need competent legal advice (ALPA national would know the answer, not necessarily some local guy in a strip mall office).
This is RLA stuff, not something which a specific company or airline is likely to be able to circumvent. The CBA is between the pilots and company. The union brand is just the label for the specific pilots elected to represent the group. You could change unions and keep all of the same reps. AGREEMENT EFFECTIVE November 1, 2022 – October 31, 2025 between ALASKA AIRLINES and the AIR LINE PILOTS in the service of ALASKA AIRLINES, INC. as represented by the AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL |
I’ve been at two airlines that dumped the IBT. (ATA and K4) Best move we ever made at both places. The IBT will make promises or threats to try to keep a pilot group. Both are baseless.
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