Originally Posted by Captainbfv (Post 3991892)

I agree with pretty much what you're saying. I'm very optimistic of course bc of what I'm hearing, but I do agree with you, there is a bit of skepticism even from me. Which is why I want to see what happens this Thursday and Friday. I'm sure we will get union comms afterwards, and of course I will continue to converse with many. I pray I don't get this one wrong. As like many other things I've spoken of, there's always a part of me that hopes I didn't call it incorrectly. Which is why I try not to boast when I call it right, bc I know there's just something else around the corner I could get wrong.

But we'll see my friend. Fingers crossed! Cheers!

Originally Posted by AsianSensastion (Post 3991930)

I’m hearing that the labor disputes must be calmed before the transaction goes through. They can’t go into a merger with 1300 ****ed off pilots who are owed a lot of money This is why Captainbfv might be right in this case. Most likely we will reach a SUBPAR agreement sometime this year.

Originally Posted by Hightime80 (Post 3991966)

JCBA is usually super abbreviated compared to typical sec 6. (Think months not years).

Originally Posted by Hightime80 (Post 3991966)

List integration is a huge piece of leverage, hence why many groups go in that order…JCBA then SLI.

Originally Posted by Hightime80 (Post 3991966)

We already have been offered better than SY +$80 so let’s not start saying we’ll take what they had in 2021. We should be expecting more like the company’s last comp proposal IMHO with a caveat that negotiations resume immediately upon merger approval or denial.

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3991974)

At time of merger approval, HA contract had some time to run, but AS was up. Rather than try to deal with two negotiations in parallel, the company just extended the AS regularly scheduled raises by a couple years to bridge the gap. Probably best for all involved, and I assume your pilot group would get to vote on it.

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3991997)

Do your union rules require a vote for compensation changes?

Originally Posted by Captainbfv (Post 3991882)

Look, anything is possible right? But, all I can say is based on what I'm hearing in my conversations, it appears that both sides want to seal a deal. As far as GU or National getting in the way, my understanding is that there was a serious conversation recently were RJ told the IBT to not meddle, or intervene or they WILL lose this pilot group to ALPA much, much faster. From what I was told, it appears the IBT was very receptive. As far as the company goes, I was also told that the leadership told everyone on their side to put their "guns" down, and lock down a TA. So I just encourage everyone to see what happens this week. My assumption based on the current information, we should see progress.

The acquisition announcement definitely changed the dynamic. Not to mention from what I heard the mediator is not going to entertain any impasse, or proffer talk. It is very clear to me now, that although we can blame the company, the fact remains that it was the NC that conducted themselves in a very amateur manner, and that their only goal/agenda was to achieve an impasse. That is absolutely dead right now. No more games. We're going to have to lock something down, even if it's "watered" down.

Like Nate said, and I've been saying on Whatsapp and FB, if we don't lock SOMETHING down, and soon, we will be negotiating from were we currently are for years. We are now in this position because of the absolute arrogance, ignorance, recklessness from short sided individuals that wanted too much instead of bringing actual progress and improvements. Their past comms said it all! It was just chaos, shifting the goal post, and narrative control. A whole bunch of half truths and nonsense almost got us iced out (AGAIN).

After THREE different mediators, it was beyond clear to me who was the real problem here. I was branded a company plant and other nonsense bc I called out their bluff. It is what it is... time for a TA ladies and gents.

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3991997)

Do your union rules require a vote for compensation changes?

Originally Posted by Hightime80 (Post 3991966)

JCBA is usually super abbreviated compared to typical sec 6. (Think months not years) List integration is a huge piece of leverage, hence why many groups go in that order…JCBA then SLI. We already have been offered better than SY +$80 so let’s not start saying we’ll take what they had in 2021. We should be expecting more like the company’s last comp proposal IMHO with a caveat that negotiations resume immediately upon merger approval or denial.