Ha. Yes. It seems lots of disfunction in the union leadership over the years. On the what ALPA calls the MEC and Negotiating committee. From an outsider getting to see what is going on it’s scary and messed up. One thing that strikes me, it seems not much unity with 23 bases of all sizes scattered around the country with some bases seeming to have very seasonal flying. I don’t want anything to do with teamsters. Sounds like a hot mess. Do you guys have local councils or is it one group that oversees all bases and pilots?

 

Looking at the payscales on APC (let me know if they're wrong), any G4 line pilot should be able to replace their income somewhere around 1-2 years in at any Big Four or AS/HA. Probably B6 too, but I don't think they're hiring.

If you're a low time FO with no TPIC, might be hard to get a call in the current climate, what with all the RJ drivers and NK CA's they have to pick from. But if you have 121 PIC, you have options.

 

At the risk of being a broken record here I will say this again, NOBODY has left G4. Nobody. None. The attrition for the last year has been 5 per month, consistently. You dont even need to be a pilot on the seniority list to see this, it's published online. It's hard to leave because those that were hired went there for the Day Trips. Now, if the new contract eliminates those trips then yes people will leave. Till then, this is a waste of time to even go over. The pickets did nothing, they were all done on a day where there were ZERO flights and some of their tiny bases didn't even have the airport open. The Toonsters torpedoed negotiations (reasons have been discussed at nauseum). And to those at Sun Country I'd like to pass on some insider info. If ALL of your pilots can stand behind ALPA then when the merger happens you will stay ALPA. The only reason the Toonsters are still at G4 is because GU and national ran a campaign telling pilots they wouldn't get their retention bonus if they were voted out. Can't blame pilots for not wanting to lose $200k

 

As I've said before (and I assume you know) that is not how the RLA works, contractual agreements are between the pilots and the company, the union is a broker. You can change unions and it all remains in force.

Possible exception if the bonus was explicitly in writing as being tied to IBT representation but even then I have my doubts. RLA and labor law typically doesn't allow a company to manipulate/interfere with representation choice to that degree.

 

allegedly there were 50% of the cards in for the alpa drive last summer, so 50% + 100% of sun country = alpa. its a no brainer and im sure even more now so with all the info alpa has put out about the merger vs our lack of info from teamsters.

 

this is the reality. We are all here for one reason only: day trips.

why else would anybody come to Allegiant?

 

Not sure if there are many but I have flown with a FO under 3500 TT with no PIC and has 2 interviews coming up. Maybe that is the exception but its slowly seeming more and more of the under 4 year FO's are getting closer to competitive. I do not think the number of those that have left reflects the number of people with applications out. If you go back to beginning of 2021 we have 617 pilots hired since then of current 1334 on property. If even half left it would start to hurt G4

Yes the payrates for G4 are correct, so yes a 10 year FO or less can make at or more money day one at SWA

 

Out of the 700 pilots, I'd be truly surprised if you could find 5 to vote for IBT.

 

ALPA is definitely the superior union (pilots). Until the company (Allegiant) makes it clear that the current retention bonus will be honored regardless of union, IBT / ALPA, most Allegiant pilots will reluctantly stick with Teamsters. The wording in the stupid retention bonus agreement specifically states IBT (not pilots or elected representation).

If the payout is guaranteed with ALPA we’re all set…ALPA it is.

 

Yeah, I can not imagine any way that IBT gets more votes even at G4