I didn’t say we have more leverage now than we did in ‘23 but we have more leverage now than we have since then. You could argue that we have more leverage now though because the company seemed fine with hiring CFIs and visas to replace leaving pilots. And yeah, I think we have more leverage now despite the fact we probably aren’t getting released anytime soon. They need government and shareholder approval to get this deal done. They want to show DOJ/DOT and financers that there are no labor troubles. If we’re quiet then all will assume that labor negotiations are going smooth. If we’re loud they’ll be more inclined to finish the deal. That’s called leverage.

 

got it. So if labor whines a lot the DOJ is gonna block the deal?

even tho analysts say this is the easiest merger case ever in the airline industry because the crossover is ONE route

nevermind that this admin’s DOJ is way too busy with other stuff and hates unions

and Wall Street would prefer we don’t get a raise so the idea that the banks are gonna pressure management to increase pilots costs by at least 50-60% is laughable.

You do not honestly believe that we have more leverage now than we did a year ago under Trump or in 2024 under Biden??

 

For starters I never stated that the last picketing was children stomping their feet. But I do want to point out that although the turn out was good, and media coverage was decent; HOW, explain to me how it pressured the company in any sort of way?

Secondly, the company like others had to take CFIs, something the legacies didn't have to do. No visa pilots have been hired for some time; the company discontinued that. You thinking that more picketing, or more "being loud" will get a deal done faster. The dynamic has already changed. The company has said they want to meet more and get a deal done, the E-board has agreed to do so. The EXCO is taking a pragmatic approach, using resource like unlike before, to bring a deal sooner rather than later.

Like Nate and another individual have mentioned, the mediator has already given the new team a clear "ultimatum". Bring a TA soon, or risk getting iced out. What that tells me, is that this current mediator was less than impressed by how the last NC decided to negotiate, act, and is not interested in any more "impasse", proffer games. You're right, the company doesn't need this labor issue to still be an issue when they seek approval from the DOJ/DOT. But if you actually think that we now have more leverage before to get everything under the sun, then you're way off, and it's why the new eboard was voted in. Because the majority wants to vote YES or NO on SOMETHING, and SOON.

You wanna get more instead of less? Then learn from the Flight Attendants... They voted down their first TA, went back to the table, and were able to get much more. Company had to do it. At the end of the day this E-board got a clear message from the pilots, get something done and let us the members decide. Period.

 

Rumor on the street that Pria request have spiked considerably. 3000 hour TT pilots getting interview calls from 2 to 3 different airlines. How many more will they see if pilots know it will be 3 to 5 years for a new contract. Almost every pilot on the seniority list could replace their income at the big 4 in that time. 7000 new hires needed this year how many of our young pilots going to stick around to see if the company will value them in 2 to 4 years from now. I know a few that took the wait and see approach last time and got stuck here when it slowed. They have stuff out to several places few have CJO's already. Heard of several pilots having interviews coming up at SWA. Attrition maybe slower now but its just starting to pick up, could be crazy by summer.

 

Aw hell nah

 

yep this is exactly my thinking as well, if negotiations dont start moving. in 3 years i could be in the same state making more. if overnights are a possibility here then its a no brainer. after watching lax and austin closures, this company doesnt care about us. still waiting to see how they fill those FLL FO vacancies. 3000 TT is the sweet spot i've heard.

 

Hark! Hark! Captainbfv proclaims he is trustworthy, therefore, it must be true.

Have you ever considered that maybe your actions and opinions aren't taken as gospel by everyone as you think they are?

Your back channeling got us into trusteeship, then you decided you didn't like that so you back channeled the ALPA drive, then you quit the union but continue to be one of the most outspoken in the pilot group. I imagine it won't be long before you're back channeling against the new exco. Curious that someone who "doesn't care" is constantly on a soap box. I think we all look forward to your insane reasons why we shouldn't elect SC ALPA to represent us when the time comes.

The common theme through all of this? You've NEVER had any skin in the game, never attached your name to anything, it's always the same "I heard that.., people are saying.., rumor is.." rhetoric. Seems like such a likable oracle should be in an elected position but you're the exact opposite.

Let's just take the latest example of #ChapiFacts: The NC has been given an "ultimatum". For this to be true it would mean that someone, either with the union or the company, has violated their NDA. Either party would take this very seriously, especially if it hurt their position. The other possibility is that it's completely made up. Considering the trustworthiness of the source this is plausible.

Allegiant is a rudderless ship, adrift with no plan of action for the next 5 years other than see how she goes. Not far off in the sea is another rudderless ship named the IBT2118. She is also adrift with no plan other than "this time it'll be different!". Myself along with anyone who values what they have put into their career should be preparing the life boats, to trust the people that are at the helms of either of these doomed vessels is true insanity.

 

You must be a joy to fly with. Hope you get the call soon. Bye Felicia!

 

I’m guessing that there may be a few Sun Country pilots who, after reading some of this thread, don’t understand why Allegiant pilots are in their current position.

…but not many.

 

Call it an ultimatum or a soft deadline - union can call it whatever they want but no one has denied that this rumor is indeed true.

color me shocked that someone would violate an NDA during negotiations - SHOCKED I’m telling you. Absolutely shocked someone would violate an NDA.

you do know most of those NDAs are about financials right? They have nothing to do with not talking about what the NMB putting the parties on ice. But again, you’ll believe what you want to believe…

tome to stick your head back in the sand