He's not in the room, because the majority of the pilots at G4 voted to end the same idiocy that was propagated by AR, JA, GU, and the BUS. If he or Moist where in the room, it would be the definition of insanity... Doing the same idiocy, while expecting different results. I guess some of these cats completely missed the memo or can't read a room for $******+

It's amazing (mind boggling) to see some still talking about picketing, and just stomp their feet like children. The adults are back in the room, they're putting in the work, and we will know them by their works.... just like everyone else.

So morons like Moist saying that my opinion changes like a fart in the wind is laughable. I have given everyone from AR, to the current Eboard the benefit of the doubt, until they remove all doubt. This Eboard is taking a more pragmatic approach. Once again, the G4 pilots overwhelmingly voted for that. You think that's summerlin working? HAHAHA. Your c!rcle j**rk just got smaller fellas. Let the adults work children; moving on.

 

None of that is what I said. I was responding to the statement that the NC and us as pilots, WE ARE ONE UNION. Do not have leverage. This pilot group should be making it clear to our union leaders and those leaders should be making it very clear. Maybe they are? That this pilot group will not support a purchase of Sunny without the contract they have been promising for 5 years. We as a pilot group should not sit back quietly as the company uses once again the savings from the current pilot contract to invest in another company venture. Sure the company could elect to continue to drag this out so that they do not have to pay this pilot group tell after. We just should not be willing and silent partners in that venture if they continue to not treat us as partners.

So another question most of you all in for the company guys usually and saying that MG is no longer in charge and its solely the unions fault. Whether MG is or not does not change the facts that the company has not been motivated to actually make a deal. If they had we would have a deal already.

So far the current Exco seems content to sit quietly in the background and send out people like chapi to say it is not their fault the last guys destroyed everything. That sounds a lot like just giving in and up to the company.

This pilot group will continue to lose these battles if the majority stays silent. Yes this EXCO won the vote by a great margin, but only about half the pilot's even voted. I personally voted for them, it seemed like the best option for real change. Real change will only happen by getting the pilot group as a whole engaged in the process, not communicating and keeping pilots as a whole in the dark about what is going on is not change but a continuation of what each group before has done.


But if it is true and we have no leverage at all and this EXCO's only play is to roll over for the company. Then were is the company favored TA? Lets get it over with if this is truly all we have.

 

You keep saying the majority of the pilots…I don’t think even 50% participated in the vote. And don’t think that people have forgotten about you’re role in getting us into this mess in the first place. What damage did the trusteeship do to our negotiations. Ever look in the mirror when you think about that?

 

He’s not self-aware of the damage he has caused to this pilot group but ignorance is bliss.

 

Are the Robles worshippers back?!?

so know it’s chapi’s fault that AR was using dues to build his $100k home office? Or is it Chapi’s fault that Unterseher has held onto this trusteeship for more than two years?

Chapi should have just let our corrupt leaders keep doing there thing?

you guys are unreal. It’s possible for management to suck and the union to suck. The difference is we pay the union to exist so they should be held to way higher standard than management.

Never understood why people will expect management to be altruistic and the union to be greedy when it should absolutely be the other way around.

 

Huh? Other way around? Normally agree with a lot of what you say but.....is it altruistic to purposefully torpedo negotiations for years? Let's review, last contract was 10 years ago. Rumor is, Union was told to come back to the table with something realistic or be iced again. If not, no deal before a JCBA, meaning 5 more years till a contract. So that's 15 years on ONE contract with no backpay and very unlikely to get Retention Bonus "IF" it goes that far.....MG played the Toonsters like a fiddle. Failing to see the altruism there

 

maybe I wasn’t clear. Unions should be held to way way a higher standard than management. Why does anyone act surprised when management negotiates for their benefit, uses the leverage they have, etc. that’s all I was trying to get at.

You are correct management has played the IBT like a fiddle. That’s what makes me laugh when people said management was using the Alpa drive. Management would HATE if we moved to Alpa. A professional union that cannot be jerked around. MG loves the IBT, he can walk all over them.

And yes, I was also told that the Union was given a deadline to start getting realistic or else the NMB was gonna ignore us til JCBA. That is why Josh, Jay, and the other Js that are still trying to sell us on their brilliant strategy of legacy contract and anything else will get us released.

 

You have been hitting the nail on the head for quite some time my friend. Moist, and Bitcoin who I have a good feeling who they are, are trying to not only make me a scape goat, but give a pass to all the mediocre and amateur representation. I too remember reading all the rhetoric online about the company not only wanting ALPA, but running the drive. The level of delusion clowns such as the one's I mentioned have, and the insane echo chambers conversations these clowns have among themselves in other chats, that I get to see my self, are not only hilarious, but disconnected of reality.

So according to Hightime80, and Bitcoin, I'm responsible (alone) for putting us into trusteeship. Idiots like this, that hype themselves up with these mediocre conspiracies have completely abandoned all reason, and reality on the ground. Which is why we are where we are. Because they are no different than all those that represented us for years. Ego maniacs that actually believed they had a case for an impasse, or that they actually had MG bent over a barrel. And when we actually had some actual leverage (2023-2024) they squandered it, because they got greedy for their own glory.

All ignored the fact that **********i+ happens, and leverage can evaporate in an instant. So instead of being honest and try to salvage what they could, they decided to create scapegoats, and not face the music of their own doing. This is why ALPA at some point will most likely represent. Because even though this current EXCO is working hard like no other leadership at this airline to clean things up, deliver a good contract, and properly represent; the damage done by priors is unforgivable. Yet you have idiots that still think that expecting, or demanding more of the same prior garbage is the only way we can lock something down that's worthy.

Amateurs! There are legit some that say, "even if we get everything we ever wanted, I'm voting NO on principal". Seriously? The level of idiocy and ideology is beyond belief. The election was clear, yet, 'the side that lost says'... "If it's this, or that, or less than what I THINK, and what I was fed for years, then is concessionary".

The majority of pilots debating with these buffoons are like BEES TRYING TO CONVINCE FLIES THAT EATING HONEY IS BETTER THAN EATING SH*******.

 

It's mind boggling that you equate picketing to a child-like temper tantrum. Our last picket was effective. We were all over the local media in every base. Numerous people I hadn't talked to in months and years reached out to me to ask about the "strike", including legacy pilots. We had momentum. We have an opportunity right now, that could be lost soon if we don't capitalize on it. We shouldn't squander the ability to pressure the company during a time where we have leverage we haven't had in years. Those calling for peace are hoping for a quick end to negotiations to get their RBs and hourly pay increases, while the rest of us are concerned about losing an opportunity to get industry standard. Don't expect the JCBA to improve upon this new contract.

 

please explain this to me??? I would love to hear about how we have more leverage today than we did in 2023 during the greatest hiring spree in our careers? Or the leverage we had when there were when two democrats (one of them was an IBT attorney) on the NMB who could release us?