The beatings will continue until morale improves.

No but other IBT news. Previous NC Chair JA, NC “chief of staff” JR, and NC snack guy BK all have class dates at AA.

This pilot group needs to think long and hard about suing those 3 and the IBT for a DFR violation. What they did is markedly worse than scabbing.

Yes, IBT has made a mess of this process and those guys did not help. However the company is a big player. They the company still refuse to be reasonably on PBS. This has been a ten year deal fight and it seems on the last neg they are still only offering the same crappy unstacking offer. They would not even agree to a union offer that was a concession to what Sunny has. Just maybe those in the know that are leaving are leaving because they know how bad the companies offers are. Based on how any people I have run into in the last few weeks that have CJO's at other airlines it may not matter what the company is offering.

Fingers crossed….Some of us Cadets have been patiently waiting to join the fracas. Hoping things get better soon enough, so joining becomes a option.

The attrition is about to skyrocket on our side of the equation too. I think management over there is severely overestimating the size of the company they just bought. Office staff too. Nobody here wants to wait to find out is this place really has what it takes to be a competitive airline. Not in this hiring environment.

If your under the age of 30 you really should go to a Regional and flow to the majors. The risks here of getting stuck with a training failure or many other things, is not worth it. I have seen several new hire FO's jump all over the system to scratch up as many hours as possible to try and get out of here. Some of those leaving are those hired 3 years ago or so that got hired due to attrition and they have seen zero movement since we have not grown in years. They get one reserve or even if they got lucky and got junion lines since. They still have not moved up further and have future to do that unless the want to go to FLL. I would not even recommend anyone just getting started to roll the dice and try this place. You would make more and get treated better at a regional at this point. Even a pay raise will not change this place, especially without enforceable work rules.

I am not surprised but that, especially those that are FO's and want to stay in MSP. Hard to guess how that will turn out.

Cadet or not, unless you live in FLL you aint going to be living in base or doing day trips.

As things stand currently: If no contract is signed by single operator AND Toonsters still in place; then most likely Sunny will operate under current G4 (pay cuts). This according to G4 union. Company is asking for a PBS system with 70% unstacking and unlimited unstacking on peak times. So it's not even PBS system at that point but I guess that's just splitting hairs. Day trips might go away, VBD will change drastically mostly to help Amazon flying. So what would be the point of going to G4? A regional airline would give you better QOL pay benefits and career path.

[QUOTE=CptGSXR;4005941]Cadet or not, unless you live in FLL you aint going to be living in base or doing day trips.Do some of you honestly not understand that even Delta can unstack up to 100% when operationally necessary? What exactly do you expect an airline to do— freeze the schedule to preserve a slogan? If there’s operational necessity, you negotiate appropriate pay protections and move forward. That’s how grown-up labor relations work.



The outrage over unstacking isn’t strategy — it’s theater.



And the commentary about Sun Country “snapping down” to the G4 CBA is a glaring example of how poorly the RLA, merger law, and bargaining leverage are understood. Either that, or it’s a deliberate distortion. Neither option reflects competence.



What’s genuinely baffling is the belief that the IBT has any realistic path to remaining on property. The trajectory here is not ambiguous.



And let’s address the obvious: airline pilots deserve representation by an airline union. This is a highly specialized, technical industry governed by a unique labor framework. Pretending that a general labor organization is better suited to navigate airline mergers, scope, PBS, and RLA strategy is not serious.



Hopefully our EXCO recognizes what should now be self-evident — the path forward is ALPA, not the IBT.

There is zero chance of IBT winning the election.