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Originally Posted by Hightime80
(Post 4006469)
Dont mind Brian, as someone once said to me, he’s a weather vane…he was a Robles fan boy until he wasn’t, then a JR fan boy until he wasn’t, an IBT and GU fan boy until he wasn’t. Now he’s an RJ and current NC fan boy…
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Originally Posted by Lost Decade
(Post 4006531)
The collaborative relationship did not occur overnight, it took a lot of time and patience on both sides to come to mutual understanding and that we were working toward the same goals. Sometimes there is serious disagreement, but the engagement remains professional.
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Originally Posted by Captainbfv
(Post 4006570)
Never been a "fan boy", but backed up those who were in positions of leadership and negotiations. That's what we're supposed to do no? Not blindly support, but support until you have no reason to support because of possible fraud, waste, mismanagement, incompetence, or shear negligence. You failed to mention that each name engaged in one or many of the things I mentioned. So like many, I supported until given clear reasons not to. You on the other hand have proven more than once that you are a permanent idiot.
I was never a Robles guy, I had heard too many ego maniac stories from other EXCO members. I was all in with JR. I really thought JR had the best opportunity to unify this pilot group. But he let Unterseher manipulate him and just started doing Unterseher's bidding. Let's see how RJ and this current regime does. I am giving RJ the benefit of the doubt until I have reason to doubt him. |
Originally Posted by captnate702
(Post 4006644)
Gotta love these IBT worshippers. They think its ridiculous, hypocritical, etc. to change your mind on leadership after you've seen them screw the pilot group.
I was never a Robles guy, I had heard too many ego maniac stories from other EXCO members. I was all in with JR. I really thought JR had the best opportunity to unify this pilot group. But he let Unterseher manipulate him and just started doing Unterseher's bidding. Let's see how RJ and this current regime does. I am giving RJ the benefit of the doubt until I have reason to doubt him. You're also right, RJ and this newly elected Eboard deserve the benefit of the doubt. I have close friends in that group that I respect and know they are not more of the same, and should bring good changes. Nonetheless, friends or not, they know where I stand on representation of this pilot group. The pilots come FIRST, and I will not support or back any personal agendas like in the past. Friend or no friend; I trust many of them. But it's not about me, it's about them earning the trust and confidence from the whole/majority of the pilot group. Enough has been enough, can't have unity without a contract, can't have a contract without good, intelligent, pragmatic and transparent leadership. |
Originally Posted by captnate702
(Post 4006644)
Gotta love these IBT worshippers. They think its ridiculous, hypocritical, etc. to change your mind on leadership after you've seen them screw the pilot group.
I was never a Robles guy, I had heard too many ego maniac stories from other EXCO members. I was all in with JR. I really thought JR had the best opportunity to unify this pilot group. But he let Unterseher manipulate him and just started doing Unterseher's bidding. Let's see how RJ and this current regime does. I am giving RJ the benefit of the doubt until I have reason to doubt him. Some of you younger guys don’t remember any of that. You don’t remember that we knew exactly who GU was back at 1224. Instead, there’s a lot of blind optimism…hoping the next person will be some kind of messiah who ushers in a new era. That mindset is why we end up with “fanboys” like Brian, who think they’re doing something important, posting memes and fluffing whoever happens to be in power. But the reality is this: it’s not ARs, JRs, or RJs that will get us out of this situation. There’s really only one path forward, and it’s ALPA. We can hope the current Executive Board is smart enough to get something signed before SLI. But whatever that is, it’s almost certain to fall short of what we deserve and we already know it will involve concessions. RJ campaigned on that. For our Sunny brothers, you should also understand this: during the last town hall, our Executive Board told our pilot group that if IBT is voted in…or if the NMB determines IBT is the representative body (which is effectively what they’re hoping for, no vote at all) then the SY contract would disappear, and you would simply fall under our CBA. That speaks volumes about the quality of both our Executive Board and the IBT. |
Originally Posted by Hightime80
(Post 4006910)
For our Sunny brothers, you should also understand this: during the last town hall, our Executive Board told our pilot group that if IBT is voted in…or if the NMB determines IBT is the representative body (which is effectively what they’re hoping for, no vote at all) then the SY contract would disappear, and you would simply fall under our CBA.
That speaks volumes about the quality of both our Executive Board and the IBT. |
Originally Posted by Captainbfv
(Post 4006570)
Never been a "fan boy", but backed up those who were in positions of leadership and negotiations. That's what we're supposed to do no? Not blindly support, but support until you have no reason to support because of possible fraud, waste, mismanagement, incompetence, or shear negligence. You failed to mention that each name engaged in one or many of the things I mentioned. So like many, I supported until given clear reasons not to. You on the other hand have proven more than once that you are a permanent idiot.
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Originally Posted by AirparkBandit
(Post 4006914)
is that what happened with mesa and republic then? yikes.
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Originally Posted by Hightime80
(Post 4006951)
All I know about that is the Mesa MEC is rumored to have conceded. I don’t know what that looked like or how it was presented to the NMB so no vote occurred but what I do know is IBT is hoping to frame that as the precedent for G4/SY.
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Originally Posted by Hightime80
(Post 4006910)
For our Sunny brothers, you should also understand this: during the last town hall, our Executive Board told our pilot group that if IBT is voted in…or if the NMB determines IBT is the representative body (which is effectively what they’re hoping for, no vote at all) then the SY contract would disappear, and you would simply fall under our CBA.
That speaks volumes about the quality of both our Executive Board and the IBT. |
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