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Lost Decade 02-23-2026 08:09 AM

The pilots are pulled from the trips to do this because of the timeline, and additionally it is work that the company would need to hire people to do.

The company pays for these trip drops, which is also fairly industry standard. Just as they pay for safety and FOQA committee work. The company gains certain efficiencies and convenience from PBS, so they should cover the cost of the labor to handle these tasks.

At our operation, this work could not be realistically accomplished on a layover. I believe you that it worked at Republic, but that was probably different software, and the needs of the solution may not have been as robust. It sometimes takes a lot of work to generate a solution, requiring back-and forth discussion with the company crew planners.

zyzz 02-23-2026 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by CptGSXR (Post 4006129)
Pilots don't have to be taken off the line to do this, at Republic those in the union that did all that had laptops and did it while out on trips.

Sounds highly illegal. Performing company work while technically on rest?

I’d hope to have an ALPA expert in the office working on the schedule instead of some poor schmuck hitting the solve button once and then try to get rest for their 0400 van time.

Lost Decade 02-23-2026 08:56 AM

Our FAA office feels that any such work counts as company duty and is subject to 117. Other feds may see it differently.

CptGSXR 02-23-2026 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by zyzz (Post 4006154)
Sounds highly illegal. Performing company work while technically on rest?

I’d hope to have an ALPA expert in the office working on the schedule instead of some poor schmuck hitting the solve button once and then try to get rest for their 0400 van time.

Welcome to the life of a Toonster. Scummy union is scummy. Flew with a couple guys that did this, they just kept hitting solve till they liked what they got. And trust me, it wasn't during rest.......

DayFlyer 02-23-2026 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by pipercub (Post 4005935)
If your under the age of 30 you really should go to a Regional and flow to the majors. The risks here of getting stuck with a training failure or many other things, is not worth it.

I am well over 30, this is 3rd career for me

pipercub 02-23-2026 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by DayFlyer (Post 4006275)
I am well over 30, this is 3rd career for me

Still may not be worth it. Many well over 30 pilots looking to leave.

DayFlyer 02-23-2026 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by pipercub (Post 4006278)
Still may not be worth it. Many well over 30 pilots looking to leave.

to your point…they are already there doing the thing. I, on the other hand, am not, so I am at a point where I will take what I can get.

Captainbfv 02-23-2026 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by Lost Decade (Post 4006055)
Sunny guy here-

The solutions are still subject to management constraints, but our guys have a good enough working relationship to collaborate to a solution.

THIS RIGHT HERE has been the difference between you guys and us. That under ALL prior leadership the working relationship has been fairly toxic... Was management collaborative at all times? or fair? NO. But after 4 airlines management is pretty much the same everywhere, what makes the difference is having a Union leadership that's not just looking to fan the flames. Unfortunately the IBTs motto appears to be "Bring them to their knees", and nothing gets done. Hell, the last election the current Eboard basically campaigned on taking a different approach to negotiations and collaborating. The opposing slate, and its supporters were more "Fight!", "burn it to the ground".

Hell, even recently the current NC decided to move towards the company's request on PBS, yet, they are currently negotiating and discussing guardrails, pay, and other things that will alleviate the pilot group when/if the company decides to unstack up to 70%. Opposers of the current Eboard or people that for too long believed all the IBT BS propaganda were already screaming "CONCESSIONS! CONCESSIONS! CONCESSIONS".

As someone before you just said, we have to give this Eboard the benefit of the doubt at this time. We need to lock something down and soon, and personally I do NOT believe it will be concessionary or "The company mailer".

Hightime80 02-24-2026 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by Captainbfv (Post 4006303)
THIS RIGHT HERE has been the difference between you guys and us. That under ALL prior leadership the working relationship has been fairly toxic... Was management collaborative at all times? or fair? NO. But after 4 airlines management is pretty much the same everywhere, what makes the difference is having a Union leadership that's not just looking to fan the flames. Unfortunately the IBTs motto appears to be "Bring them to their knees", and nothing gets done. Hell, the last election the current Eboard basically campaigned on taking a different approach to negotiations and collaborating. The opposing slate, and its supporters were more "Fight!", "burn it to the ground".

Hell, even recently the current NC decided to move towards the company's request on PBS, yet, they are currently negotiating and discussing guardrails, pay, and other things that will alleviate the pilot group when/if the company decides to unstack up to 70%. Opposers of the current Eboard or people that for too long believed all the IBT BS propaganda were already screaming "CONCESSIONS! CONCESSIONS! CONCESSIONS".

As someone before you just said, we have to give this Eboard the benefit of the doubt at this time. We need to lock something down and soon, and personally I do NOT believe it will be concessionary or "The company mailer".

Dont mind Brian, as someone once said to me, he’s a weather vane…he was a Robles fan boy until he wasn’t, then a JR fan boy until he wasn’t, an IBT and GU fan boy until he wasn’t. Now he’s an RJ and current NC fan boy…

Lost Decade 02-24-2026 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by Captainbfv (Post 4006303)
THIS RIGHT HERE has been the difference between you guys and us. That under ALL prior leadership the working relationship has been fairly toxic... Was management collaborative at all times? or fair? NO. But after 4 airlines management is pretty much the same everywhere, what makes the difference is having a Union leadership that's not just looking to fan the flames. Unfortunately the IBTs motto appears to be "Bring them to their knees", and nothing gets done. Hell, the last election the current Eboard basically campaigned on taking a different approach to negotiations and collaborating. The opposing slate, and its supporters were more "Fight!", "burn it to the ground".

Hell, even recently the current NC decided to move towards the company's request on PBS, yet, they are currently negotiating and discussing guardrails, pay, and other things that will alleviate the pilot group when/if the company decides to unstack up to 70%. Opposers of the current Eboard or people that for too long believed all the IBT BS propaganda were already screaming "CONCESSIONS! CONCESSIONS! CONCESSIONS".

As someone before you just said, we have to give this Eboard the benefit of the doubt at this time. We need to lock something down and soon, and personally I do NOT believe it will be concessionary or "The company mailer".


The collaborative relationship did not occur overnight, it took a lot of time and patience on both sides to come to mutual understanding and that we were working toward the same goals. Sometimes there is serious disagreement, but the engagement remains professional.


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