I don't know about the details, but I gather there's ongoing discussion that the Federal Courts finding of status quo violations may be enough to initiate strike actions. The RLA apparently allows for this and this company is spending big bucks scrambling to reverse the court-ordered injunction. Is this because they know they can't fix their mess fast enough to avoid a strike? Who knows, but they will continue stumbling, and eventually hand the union the dagger. Things are getting interesting and the bulk of our pilots are wanting to strike.

 

Status quo violations during a time like this are, well, status quo. The RLA is not in any way on the employees' side. Historically, the NMB does not allow a job action until 1 of 2 scenarios has played out: all but a few sections of a contract are agreed upon (pay is always last), OR the disparity is so wide that there is no hope (Eastern is a good example of this). The second example takes much, much longer to play itself out, and the company only has to be able to show some form of progress.

As for "wanting to strike," believe me, I understand the frustration. I've been there, and done that. But understand this: nobody wins in a strike. The problem is that the company will say that at a certain point, they will have to shut down or shed jobs because of the losses. By then, their credibility is so far gone you don't know when to believe them. It's a fine line.


The majority of the passengers may not originate from those two states, but the businesses that they frequent (and their lobbying associations) will make a lot of noise. Further, there are some big political names in those states that carry a lot of weight in DC.

I wish you guys the best of luck, but I wouldn't be holding your breath for a strike anytime soon. Don't forget, this works both ways: once the cooling off period is over, they can lock you out. I don't know that they would, but they do have that option.

 

Aside from our steady march towards a lockout. G4, via F&H’s guidance is getting their butts kicked in Federal court. We got some not so small victories coming our way.

 

The majority of our passengers are not affluent and/or business essential types. I doubt those businesses alone will have that kind of pull, didn’t in Spirits case.

 

Go both ways, Lock us out? That would be MG’s wet dream. I’m sure if it were his world, he would do just that. This is a public company, too many stakeholders will have something else to say.

 

Do NOT underestimate this possibility.

 

More Lies from this disgruntled guy... no one wants your job.... stop giving the Frontier guys a bad name. Why hasn't the moderator banded him yet?

 

Since I'm the one you called ignorant, I'll chime in here. While you may have past experience with striking, I think you know little about our business model and our management. First, if we disappeared tomorrow, nobody except Ma and Pa in Wichita would notice. We don't carry mail, have no EAS routes, and we have virtually zero effect on interstate commerce. Second, negotiations have been going for almost 2 years now and have accomplished very little. We've been in Mediation for months now and from what we are told, the mediator is growing tired of management's "surface bargaining".

Of course they could lock us out, but with shareholders and countless vendors wondering where their customers went, the stakes are high and shutting the business down for any appreciable period of time just because the pilots want a couple more bucks would send the stock price into a tailspin. In the end, that's all that matters.

 

How far fetched would "a new" airline startup be that is brought on line in parallel but seperate with g4 and a stock swap done and then a lock out?

I'd be looking for crazy plays like that since the management is ex Value Jet.

And I probably am 2 million miles off... Good luck, if g4 strikes no scabs... That needs to be really understood there is a thread or two here just search.

 

Spirit was in negotiations for a little over four years when the NMB released them. Didn’t take several as you indicated. We have been in negotiations for over two years now. Tic-Tok, Tic-Tok… Your statement to the contrary is ignorant of our most recent and relevant strike, by a like carrier.





Same sort of threats baldanza made to the spirit pilots. Baldanza tried replacing his pilots, how did that go? At the time they were a privately held company. Only one person calling the shots. What happened? He lasted what a few days? Whole strike didn’t last a week. I guess we now know who was bluffing who? Just like we will here. Regardless, I can only speak for myself, I’m not ready to walk the line, I’m ready to walk away.