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Originally Posted by Goflynow
(Post 1717710)
How far fetched would "a new" airline startup be that is brought on line in parallel but seperate with g4 and a stock swap done and then a lock out?
I'd be looking for crazy plays like that since the management is ex Value Jet. And I probably am 2 million miles off... Good luck, if g4 strikes no scabs... That needs to be really understood there is a thread or two here just search. |
Originally Posted by Goflynow
(Post 1717710)
How far fetched would "a new" airline startup be that is brought on line in parallel but seperate with g4 and a stock swap done and then a lock out?
I'd be looking for crazy plays like that since the management is ex Value Jet. And I probably am 2 million miles off... Good luck, if g4 strikes no scabs... That needs to be really understood there is a thread or two here just search. That would require things like running an airline, maintaining airplanes properly, and training, that sort of stuff. |
We have a public company.
We have no business travelers. We have been in negotiations for two years. We have just won an injunction in court. We have a mediator who has already said publicly that the negotiations are moving too slow on the side of the company. We have the vast majority of pilots not just willing to strike, but preferring it after our recent treatment. When Spirit went on strike they had one scab flight. Before it landed the pictures and addresses of the pilots were posted online. No one will scab in 2014 and all of the social media around today. I'm not too concerned. |
Originally Posted by labbats
(Post 1717749)
We have a public company.
We have no business travelers. We have been in negotiations for two years. We have just won an injunction in court. We have a mediator who has already said publicly that the negotiations are moving too slow on the side of the company. We have the vast majority of pilots not just willing to strike, but preferring it after our recent treatment. When Spirit went on strike they had one scab flight. Before it landed the pictures and addresses of the pilots were posted online. No one will scab in 2014 and all of the social media around today. I'm not too concerned. |
Originally Posted by IQuitEagle
(Post 1717766)
Seeing as how there are several scabs (actual scabs, on "the list") that already work there, I doubt that it will be true that "no one will scab." For your sake I hope their numbers are small, and that those who do, are made to pay the price dearly.
Yup, they aren’t the majority by any measure. Little history, this place let less than ten percent of their pilots go un-qualified this past winter. All because of the “Government Shutdown”, and ops was running like an Iraqi regiment. |
Hopefully you guys will get full retro pay when the contract is finally done. Don't settle for a "signing bonus".
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Originally Posted by labbats
(Post 1717749)
When Spirit went on strike they had one scab flight. Before it landed the pictures and addresses of the pilots were posted online. No one will scab in 2014 and all of the social media around today. I'm not too concerned. |
Originally Posted by IQuitEagle
(Post 1717766)
Seeing as how there are several scabs (actual scabs, on "the list") that already work there, I doubt that it will be true that "no one will scab." For your sake I hope their numbers are small, and that those who do, are made to pay the price dearly.
The minute we stop flying there's going to be hell to pay from our hotel and rental car companies and the shareholders will demand the strike end to keep the golden goose laying eggs. |
Originally Posted by toomanyrjs
(Post 1717873)
Don't be too certain. Republic has plenty of pilots that would have absolutely NO QUALMS about replacing you. That's what Republic pilots do.
Doesn’t matter who, or how many pilots are out there ready to replace us. This training department couldn’t do it. |
Two thoughts: other carriers have had to wait 5-6 years to get a contract, so 2-3 doesn't mean anything. As for the company dithering, they will do that for a while, and then put something meaningful enough on the table that the mediator has back down...for a while.
Alter ego operation: it could happen. GoJet and Freedom were just that. I'm not saying it would be easy, but it would be much easier than getting pilots to cross an actual picket line. |
Two thoughts: other carriers have had to wait 5-6 years to get a contract, so 2-3 doesn't mean anything. As for the company dithering, they will do that for a while, and then put something meaningful enough on the table that the mediator has back down...for a while.
Alter ego operation: it could happen. GoJet and Freedom were just that. I'm not saying it would be easy, but it would be much easier than getting pilots to cross an actual picket line. I wish you guys the best, but it's likely to get worse before it gets better. |
Originally Posted by OnCenterline
(Post 1717914)
Alter ego operation: it could happen. GoJet and Freedom were just that. I'm not saying it would be easy, but it would be much easier than getting pilots to cross an actual picket line.
Laughable, an alter ego, parallel operation would share the same fate as al-Maliki’s Baghdad government. |
It won't take 5-6 years to get a contract because it CAN'T. With the constant exodus of pilots and the inability to train people fast enough, this method of doing business is unsustainable. If the present course is unaltered, there will either be an FAA-imposed cessation of operations or (heaven forbid) a cessation that results from a disaster with loss of life. The current pilots are what's keeping the second scenario from unfolding. As these pilots leave for better-paying pastures and the only pilots we can attract have questionable experience levels, I fear the worst.
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Originally Posted by labbats
(Post 1717749)
We have just won an injunction in court.
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Saw a return for a rapid depressurization. Ouch.
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Originally Posted by Xbone
(Post 1717877)
Doesn’t matter who, or how many pilots are out there ready to replace us. This training department couldn’t do it.
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The thought has occurred to me that F&H solutions or AAY management posts in these forums, disguised as average Joe, been-there-done-that pilots.
I guess if I were them, I probably would too. Great propaganda plugs! |
Originally Posted by toomanyrjs
(Post 1718011)
Republic would gladly pick up a contract to fly your passengers and routes.
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Originally Posted by dawgdriver
(Post 1718023)
The thought has occurred to me that F&H solutions or AAY management posts in these forums, disguised as average Joe, been-there-done-that pilots.
I guess if I were them, I probably would too. Great propaganda plugs! G4 Pilots 1, F&H remf’s 0. Before the year is up, will be 2 & 0. Momentum baby! |
To answer the original question, I say republic.
How sad is that? Because no matter how long it takes to get a contract, we will still have the same con artists and muddle-managers running this company. It was a great concept: buy a bunch of cheap old airplanes, run it to places that nobody else goes, use eager, cheap labor and then sell it. It's been tried before and had it not been for an accident ValuJet would still be here. To those looking to come here, stay away for your own good. To those that are already here, take your experience and type ratings and go. There are too many other airlines that respect and reward your skill set Airlines that don't require you to carry the incompetence that comes with Allegiant's profit-at-all-cost business model. |
Originally Posted by toomanyrjs
(Post 1717873)
Don't be too certain. Republic has plenty of pilots that would have absolutely NO QUALMS about replacing you. That's what Republic pilots do.
Are you really that stupid? I have no say at what my management flipping does. |
Question: Why did the ENTIRE list of First Officers forego the last 2 rounds for upgrade to captain?
Question: Why are so many suddenly leaving, even senior captains? Answer: incompetent and deceitful management driving bad EVERYTHING. Allegiant isn't sustainable, it's a facade designed to pump a stock then dump it. Our company's President is feverishly dumping his which should signal a house of cards ready to cave in. |
Originally Posted by dawgdriver
(Post 1718023)
The thought has occurred to me that F&H solutions or AAY management posts in these forums, disguised as average Joe, been-there-done-that pilots.
I guess if I were them, I probably would too. Great propaganda plugs! |
Originally Posted by toomanyrjs
(Post 1718457)
No need to bust out the tin foil hats. I'm not a F and H lackey.
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As for "wanting to strike," believe me, I understand the frustration. I've been there, and done that. But understand this: nobody wins in a strike. The problem is that the company will say that at a certain point, they will have to shut down or shed jobs because of the losses. By then, their credibility is so far gone you don't know when to believe them. It's a fine line.
I love it when idiots say this. So.....is that how you feel about the Spirit Strike? Sure seems the pilots won that one!! |
Originally Posted by G4FO
(Post 1718529)
I love it when idiots say this. So.....is that how you feel about the Spirit Strike? Sure seems the pilots won that one!!
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