Allegiant vs Republic
 

Soo... I'm currently a 4yr FO with Republic and have a class date with Allegiant. I'm trying to make an informed decision to take the class date.

My situation...
Republic
* Currently live at home in base
* Topped out pay at $36/hr @ 75 guarantee + perdiem
* Upgrade of another 2-3 years

Allegiant
* Decent pay raise after 1st year. Yr 1 close to breaking even.
- $41/hr + 1hr perdiem taxed
* Possible 2-3 yr upgrade
* Would have to commute from NC to Florida for 1 yr
- Wife's 401k not fulled vested until August 2015 and current house needs to sell.

I just don't know enough about AAY to make a decision. I've read the 55 page post. Can someone post JR FO schedules up? I've seen the ones that are 2 on, 1 off, 3 on, 1 off, etc. I was thinking about driving back and forth but not sure if that'll work out either.

Go to Allegiant and bid the Airbus if able. Don't look up until your second year and you may be happy with your choice. New contract may be worth it.

Take the class & don't look back :cool:

IMHO

If you're a regional FO then by all means come to Allegiant.

If you're anything else then I'd think twice.

I made a similar move and don't regret it, feel free to PM.

Nice. Now that’s some optimism.:D

Allegiant vs Republic
 

I would also jump... It your going to upgrade tomorrow then that could change my suggestion but as an FO get the airbus time or 757 time if you can, and move on. Life will be tough for a bit ESP some of the work rules I here about there , but it's a small short investment for should turn out to be a great long term investment later .

Good luck.

Sounds like a lot of SJS. Go but keep applying to the Majors.

Do you have money saved up? If not, be careful as a strike is all but certain unless there is a complete change of attitude with management. If you are coming from a good regional with a decent contract, you may be disappointed. Don't just look at the pay rates.

I've read the Allegiant "work rules" contract. Compared to Republic's CBA (which I understand Allegiants' is not a CBA), Allegiant's is just poor. Money isn't everything. At that point... the current pay scale seems subject to change if the company does poorly. We all know not to invest based on past performance!

I do have money saved up but whats the point of saving if I don't want to spend it on something I don't want!

I don't work for Allegiant, but this decision should really be a no brainer. Do you really want to remain associated with the filthy swine? The Toonsters are still suing F9 trying to steal jobs even though they are in no way, shape or form connected anymore. Eventually, the Toonsters and republic pukes will be handed another humiliating and crushing defeat in the courtroom. Do you really want to be around for whatever temper tantrum will occur at that time? It's really best to get the hell out if you can or risk becoming another bitter lifer with no hope of a better future.

Where did you get a copy of this?

And will you share?

Pretty much the same situation at AAY however. Teamsters are pretty much worthless at either airline. AAY is more likely to strike due to their business model not really affecting national economy or the government. These decisions are NEVER no brainers.

http://www.ibt1224.org/downloads/all...searchable.pdf ... simple google search.

Calling the Teamsters "worthless" at Allegiant is a bit premature. They have provided us with the tools we've needed, initiated and WON an injunction against this management team's travesties, and have charged us ZERO dues for doing so. I don't know what happened with Republic since I've been out of the regional game for almost a decade, but remember that the union is comprised of YOUR pilots. I highly doubt that any injustice that you endured was the sole doing of IBT national. IBT isn't perfect but it's light years ahead of what we had before, which was basically a bunch of volunteers that management chose to either acknowledge or ignore depending upon what mood they were in.

Perhaps "worthless" isn't the best term. IBT 357 has helped me out quite a bit. I am just frustrated at having a 2003 contract as the current CBA. It could still be worse. Based on what I read, AAY looks worse. I'm glad 1224 is working hard to make life at AAY better. But how can someone make a decision to jump from an unstable ship to one with a huge crack in it?

Also consider the QOL issue as well. Commuting with the schedules at Allegiant while having any semblance of a family life is nearly impossible. You will most likely be thrown into the new HOM base right after training which will entail living in a hotel in some random city with a maximum of 3 days off per week. There is also a rumor going around that since every city you stay in is your "base", ZERO per diem will be provided. The rest of the details about this new base are unknown because, as usual, they make it up as they go along. "Let's see what the pilots will endure before we change anything" is the mantra.

That is the 2nd or 3rd time I've seen this HOM base thing mentioned. Would anyone mind clarifying what that is? Is it a confirmed thing at this point, or still pending?

This does seem to be the mantra, take a good QOL with low pay and soon as they brought in the union, make the QOL as bad as possible to match the pay so that way there is lots of room to negotiate from. Just to put it back to pre-union would be considered a win.

$36.00/hr:eek: Wow! You may qualify for food stamps!:(

It's happening. Details are sketchy at best. The gist:

- You are in this fictitious base called HOM (make up your own acronym)

- Every month, you are flown to whatever city will be your base.

- You are provided a hotel room

- You will get a rental car if the hotel does not have an airport shuttle (good luck getting groceries if you are staying in a hotel with a stingy shuttle policy)

- You will bid your seniority for whatever trips are created for that city. Expect at least some reserve even if you are bidding #1

- No per diem is the rumor (not confirmed, however). But, since per diem is only $1/hr, you won't miss it. :)

- You will be flown either to your home airport or to your next city after the end of the month.

Some important things to know:

-Even if you have more than 2 days off in a row (highly unlikely), you will NOT be given a positive space ticket home. This differs from what has traditionally been "home" basing.

-Unless you are single with no family, no home, and no possessions, this will be a significant tax on your life.

To give you another perspective, we have FO's who have been here 5 years+. The captain slots into this HOM base went to guys who have been here 6 months. The FO slots haven't been assigned yet because that's where all the newhires are going. This has the potential of being a decent deal for commuters, but in their usual "ready, fire, aim" way of doing things, they expect the crewmembers to bear the brunt of their lack of planning.

Thanks for the info.

It seems that even being single, with no family and no home and no possessions that would still be a tax on my life.

Living in base is really a nice perk and hard to voluntarily give up. However, short of an upgrade, getting some non-RJ time (especially typed in the A320) could help move your career forward. G4 may be rough on QOL in the short term, but the pilot group is working on fixing that and even if they don't - you'll be more marketable for other carriers.

Don't bet on this. Now that the TDY base is staffed, expect the upgrades to go back to 5-6 years.

Agreed. Much of the movement will be from the bottom of the seniority dropping out due to buyer's remorse. The middle will be leaving in the near term as well, but once it all shakes out you'll be left with two main factions: the "been here too long/too old to leave" guys at the top and the revolving door at the bottom.

Allegiant vs Republic
 

Is it 6 1/2 weeks of ground school or 6 1/2 weeks total?

It's anywhere from 6-8 weeks to 6 months. Depends on if the sim is broken or not.

Allegiant vs Republic
 

The name of this thread speaks volumes.

It does. Who would have ever thought 5 years ago these 2 would be found in the same sentence. Sad.

Funny, the MIA sim worked good in the period Allegiant no-showed for in June and July.

Really sad.

SJS? You're familiar with the E-170 correct?

You have over 3000 posts and you're surprised a regional FO makes $36/hour?

I guess they showed me...

Nah you meant to say 5-6 weeks.

Does this have to do with an award that was just published or something?

Its crazy..... HOM isn't the only junior captain base


Most Junior HOM Captain is a 05/19/2014 newhire (3 month Upgrade)

Most Junior PGD Captain is a 01/06/2014 newhire (8 month Upgrade)

Most Junior PIE Captain is a 12/02/2014 newhire (9 month Upgrade)

Most Junior LAS Captain is a 11/09/2012 newhire ( Under 2 years)

The LAS upgrade blows my mind. It's not just Junior guys going to the HOM base. Even IWA captain went under 5 years. Street captains next. You don't need to go to Lakes anymore for that street captain position.

Newhire FO to MD-80 captain in 3 months. Seems safe to me....
Unfortunately, with a quick upgrade regional guys are going to ignore everything we've been warning them about and trip over each other to apply.

The bottom captain slots are going junior 'cause folks suspect these positions will still be at risk of TDY; no guarantee HOM pilots will cover all the TDY's. It's a roll of the dice most FO's, so far, are unwilling to make.

Clmp... Some people listened, did their homework and didn't accept the class invite. [emoji4]

ASJ

This ^^^. Nailed it. Along with the RSV abuse.