Allegiant Air
10-20-2018, 06:17 AM
#5931
Banned
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Da Bus
Posts: 481
Originally Posted by ecam
It looks like Captain Kinzer reached a settlement. I hope he got enough money to live comfortably the rest of his life. It's a great win for PIC authority. Thanks for fighting on behalf of all of us, Jason.
Look for some key flight ops management to decide to spend more time with their family soon.
Look for some key flight ops management to decide to spend more time with their family soon.
Good for him. I hope he is able to get on with another airline. Where did you find that info?
10-20-2018, 06:45 AM
#5932
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2009
Posts: 50
10-30-2018, 09:52 AM
#5933
Banned
Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 733
Town Hall meeting
No hiring for the first half of 2019. No set point to begin hiring again. No vacancy bid until early 2019 for summer effective dates so no movement until then, despite many junior pilots tying to get to the bases where they want to live or to move off reserve. Not going to happen for the next 6 months. This is textbook airline stagnation.
But at least sun seeker, tee snap, and G4CE employees will get to dip into our profit sharing. And they are supporting the Golden Knights more than the line pilots.
Plus that darn EXCO just keeps getting in their way.
But at least sun seeker, tee snap, and G4CE employees will get to dip into our profit sharing. And they are supporting the Golden Knights more than the line pilots.
Plus that darn EXCO just keeps getting in their way.
10-30-2018, 02:45 PM
#5934
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Position: A-320
Posts: 680
Originally Posted by ecam
No hiring for the first half of 2019. No set point to begin hiring again. No vacancy bid until early 2019 for summer effective dates so no movement until then, despite many junior pilots tying to get to the bases where they want to live or to move off reserve. Not going to happen for the next 6 months. This is textbook airline stagnation.
But at least sun seeker, tee snap, and G4CE employees will get to dip into our profit sharing. And they are supporting the Golden Knights more than the line pilots.
Plus that darn EXCO just keeps getting in their way.
But at least sun seeker, tee snap, and G4CE employees will get to dip into our profit sharing. And they are supporting the Golden Knights more than the line pilots.
Plus that darn EXCO just keeps getting in their way.
10-30-2018, 02:48 PM
#5935
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 1,181
Originally Posted by ecam
No hiring for the first half of 2019. No set point to begin hiring again. No vacancy bid until early 2019 for summer effective dates so no movement until then, despite many junior pilots tying to get to the bases where they want to live or to move off reserve. Not going to happen for the next 6 months. This is textbook airline stagnation.
But at least sun seeker, tee snap, and G4CE employees will get to dip into our profit sharing. And they are supporting the Golden Knights more than the line pilots.
Plus that darn EXCO just keeps getting in their way.
But at least sun seeker, tee snap, and G4CE employees will get to dip into our profit sharing. And they are supporting the Golden Knights more than the line pilots.
Plus that darn EXCO just keeps getting in their way.
---It hasn't even started construction.
---No reputable firm wants to build it.
---But hey, they have figured out how to manage a "large swimming pool"! Very impressive!
Yup, its totally our fault the company renegged on what was, basically, a completed LOA for PBS/SmartPref. If we don't do **** about this ourselves, now, then I don't think we ever will. I'm ready and I know almost everyone here is.
Enough BS. Lets go.
10-30-2018, 02:54 PM
#5936
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: First Officer
Posts: 432
Originally Posted by KC135
I'm not exactly sure what you expected to happen when over 100 extra pilots were hired to cycle 350 pilots through the school house all year while still running an airline? The Dec and Jan classes total over 80 alone. The airline has grown over 10% YOY but there was over 20% headcount growth in 2017. The PS will be separated from the other entities you mentioned.
It was 15% headcount growth in 2017 (not 20). That extra 5% would have easily been accounted for if we had put the airframes online this year that were forecast. However, we are 7 airframes short of projections. I can’t speak for ECAM, but for me, I would like to see this “airline” be an airline and realize that the airplanes and crew are what has provided 63 straight quarters of profitability not some hotel built in the FL swamps and certainly not some stupid family fun centers. This management team has lost their way and today’s town hall just proved that they have no clue what they are doing.
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10-30-2018, 06:37 PM
#5937
Voice of Reason
Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: Uncomfortable
Posts: 481
I guess we'll see. The number I heard was Summer 2019 for hiring based on 4-5/month attrition. I wonder if that will pick up a bit now that they have basically made it an official stance not to hire until next summer. All of you Junior CAs should head on over to Delta or United now!
At least we will be "just about perfectly manned" for March! I can't wait! Set up your official VFN ring tone now! (Especially for the summer)
At least we will be "just about perfectly manned" for March! I can't wait! Set up your official VFN ring tone now! (Especially for the summer)
10-31-2018, 05:57 PM
#5938
Lifer
Joined APC: Apr 2009
Position: MD80 CA
Posts: 176
Long-call
There seems to be quite a split in QOL in line flying vs. reserve. I am aware that being the FNG or stuck on RSV for an extended period always sucks. I'm a line holder in a senior base and most of the pilots I'm flying with are pretty content & enjoy working here. Not too long ago we were flying old, worn out 80's / had paper Jepps / multiple MELs on the can / and no contract. Pretty nice stepping into the Bus and actually getting off the gate.
To my point, I haven't heard any talk of a long-call reserve. We had this at my last airline and it went very senior (So senior that I was never on reserve as a new hire). With the over staffing as of late (Transition to Bus) I would think that it could be negotiated (LOA).
A 12 hour RSV call out would go a long way to improve the QOL for many during this stagnation period & beyond.
To my point, I haven't heard any talk of a long-call reserve. We had this at my last airline and it went very senior (So senior that I was never on reserve as a new hire). With the over staffing as of late (Transition to Bus) I would think that it could be negotiated (LOA).
A 12 hour RSV call out would go a long way to improve the QOL for many during this stagnation period & beyond.
10-31-2018, 07:53 PM
#5939
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: First Officer
Posts: 432
Originally Posted by INXS
There seems to be quite a split in QOL in line flying vs. reserve. I am aware that being the FNG or stuck on RSV for an extended period always sucks. I'm a line holder in a senior base and most of the pilots I'm flying with are pretty content & enjoy working here. Not too long ago we were flying old, worn out 80's / had paper Jepps / multiple MELs on the can / and no contract. Pretty nice stepping into the Bus and actually getting off the gate.
To my point, I haven't heard any talk of a long-call reserve. We had this at my last airline and it went very senior (So senior that I was never on reserve as a new hire). With the over staffing as of late (Transition to Bus) I would think that it could be negotiated (LOA).
A 12 hour RSV call out would go a long way to improve the QOL for many during this stagnation period & beyond.
To my point, I haven't heard any talk of a long-call reserve. We had this at my last airline and it went very senior (So senior that I was never on reserve as a new hire). With the over staffing as of late (Transition to Bus) I would think that it could be negotiated (LOA).
A 12 hour RSV call out would go a long way to improve the QOL for many during this stagnation period & beyond.
In my opinion, the biggest issue is junior guys that came here thinking that they would have whatever Base they wanted within 6 months because that was what everyone told them. Those hired in late 2017 especially, got stuck in bases they didn’t want and then got TDYd out into other bases that they didn’t want for months at a time. It rapidly went from upgrade in 12-18 months to no hiring for 18 months.
I am a little more senior than that, so I got into my desired base before the music stopped, but based on the projections that were shared in the Town Hall this week, I will be on reserve for three years. That’s a whole lot of stagnation. The pay discrepancy with other airlines would have been significantly softened with a quick upgrade, but that is not happening any time soon. With that being said, I live where I am based and I don’t get used on reserve a lot, so this is still a great job. For now, the QOL is good enough I will forgo the money, but with every new contract signed by a major that gets harder to do.
And for the record long call Reserve is already in the CBA. No LOA is required for the company to start using it.
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11-01-2018, 07:57 AM
#5940
Banned
Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 733
Originally Posted by skydisaster
In my opinion, the biggest issue is junior guys that came here thinking that they would have whatever Base they wanted within 6 months because that was what everyone told them. Those hired in late 2017 especially, got stuck in bases they didn’t want and then got TDYd out into other bases that they didn’t want for months at a time. It rapidly went from upgrade in 12-18 months to no hiring for 18 months.
I am a little more senior than that, so I got into my desired base before the music stopped, but based on the projections that were shared in the Town Hall this week, I will be on reserve for three years. That’s a whole lot of stagnation. The pay discrepancy with other airlines would have been significantly softened with a quick upgrade, but that is not happening any time soon. With that being said, I live where I am based and I don’t get used on reserve a lot, so this is still a great job. For now, the QOL is good enough I will forgo the money, but with every new contract signed by a major that gets harder to do.
And for the record long call Reserve is already in the CBA. No LOA is required for the company to start using it.
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I am a little more senior than that, so I got into my desired base before the music stopped, but based on the projections that were shared in the Town Hall this week, I will be on reserve for three years. That’s a whole lot of stagnation. The pay discrepancy with other airlines would have been significantly softened with a quick upgrade, but that is not happening any time soon. With that being said, I live where I am based and I don’t get used on reserve a lot, so this is still a great job. For now, the QOL is good enough I will forgo the money, but with every new contract signed by a major that gets harder to do.
And for the record long call Reserve is already in the CBA. No LOA is required for the company to start using it.
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I'm senior as a CA in my base but I would bid long call reserve and sit home before taking a hard line. That would mean more flying for the junior folks, and a higher pay scale pilot sitting out flying to be done by a lower pay scale pilot. Win-win for both company and pilots. But they are too stupid and short sighted.
As for the stagnation I wouldn't stay here if I were in the bottom 50%. I'm hearing CAs that have been here 5 years or more putting their apps out. Most of the junior FOs already have. Management better wake up or they won't have any pilots in a few years. Unless thats their plan.
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