Allegiant Air
11-02-2018, 06:30 PM
#5941
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2013
Posts: 2,940
Originally Posted by ecam
Long call is already in 16.F of the contract. I don't understand why so many of you fail to read or even understand what's written there.
I'm senior as a CA in my base but I would bid long call reserve and sit home before taking a hard line. That would mean more flying for the junior folks, and a higher pay scale pilot sitting out flying to be done by a lower pay scale pilot. Win-win for both company and pilots. But they are too stupid and short sighted.
As for the stagnation I wouldn't stay here if I were in the bottom 50%. I'm hearing CAs that have been here 5 years or more putting their apps out. Most of the junior FOs already have. Management better wake up or they won't have any pilots in a few years. Unless thats their plan.
I'm senior as a CA in my base but I would bid long call reserve and sit home before taking a hard line. That would mean more flying for the junior folks, and a higher pay scale pilot sitting out flying to be done by a lower pay scale pilot. Win-win for both company and pilots. But they are too stupid and short sighted.
As for the stagnation I wouldn't stay here if I were in the bottom 50%. I'm hearing CAs that have been here 5 years or more putting their apps out. Most of the junior FOs already have. Management better wake up or they won't have any pilots in a few years. Unless thats their plan.
Hiring will never be a problem here or any other major such as Frontier. Staying here, that's a completely different story. People will always come, but likely will not stay.
11-02-2018, 09:04 PM
#5942
Voice of Reason
Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: Uncomfortable
Posts: 481
Originally Posted by ecam
Long call is already in 16.F of the contract. I don't understand why so many of you fail to read or even understand what's written there.
I'm senior as a CA in my base but I would bid long call reserve and sit home before taking a hard line. That would mean more flying for the junior folks, and a higher pay scale pilot sitting out flying to be done by a lower pay scale pilot. Win-win for both company and pilots. But they are too stupid and short sighted.
As for the stagnation I wouldn't stay here if I were in the bottom 50%. I'm hearing CAs that have been here 5 years or more putting their apps out. Most of the junior FOs already have. Management better wake up or they won't have any pilots in a few years. Unless thats their plan.
I'm senior as a CA in my base but I would bid long call reserve and sit home before taking a hard line. That would mean more flying for the junior folks, and a higher pay scale pilot sitting out flying to be done by a lower pay scale pilot. Win-win for both company and pilots. But they are too stupid and short sighted.
As for the stagnation I wouldn't stay here if I were in the bottom 50%. I'm hearing CAs that have been here 5 years or more putting their apps out. Most of the junior FOs already have. Management better wake up or they won't have any pilots in a few years. Unless thats their plan.
People act like the airline is going out of business... We are printing money, even this quarter with a boat load load of one-time write offs. Anyone who came where expecting a year or two upgrade should be ashamed of themselves. Could it happen? Yup! But expect it? Nope! Even with the new projections, I should upgrade in a 4-5 years on property (with slow growth). Should more be "expected?"
11-03-2018, 07:33 AM
#5943
Banned
Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 733
Originally Posted by akulahunter
Why would you leave if you were in the bottom 50%? Barring coming here just for the Type rating and narrow body experience, most people applied here for a reason... Goal growth is 10% per year (stated as about 10 planes a year), which traditionally has been conservative. In theory, it shouldn't take too long to catch up with the "over manned status" that the company keeps throwing out. I'm sure attrition will pick up as well (maybe significantly if a couple legacies sign new contracts soon). Also, keep in mind the company's estimate is based on a too-low estimate of pilots per plane AND opening two to four new Perm/TDY bases next year...
People act like the airline is going out of business... We are printing money, even this quarter with a boat load load of one-time write offs. Anyone who came where expecting a year or two upgrade should be ashamed of themselves. Could it happen? Yup! But expect it? Nope! Even with the new projections, I should upgrade in a 4-5 years on property (with slow growth). Should more be "expected?"
People act like the airline is going out of business... We are printing money, even this quarter with a boat load load of one-time write offs. Anyone who came where expecting a year or two upgrade should be ashamed of themselves. Could it happen? Yup! But expect it? Nope! Even with the new projections, I should upgrade in a 4-5 years on property (with slow growth). Should more be "expected?"
Then they see the company getting out bid for airplanes we were sure to get and instead investing in go karts and hotels. That huge swimming pool! Why should they believe anything the company says at this point when they have been lied to at every turn and every big airline is hiring? These people are about to exodus and who is going to replace them when we start hiring again after they spread the word?
Your optimism is admirable. Maybe you're that ray of sunshine guy. Not everyone shares it. I say it all the time, but I'm glad I retire soon.
11-03-2018, 07:52 AM
#5944
Gets Tue/Wed and Sat Off
Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 551
Originally Posted by ecam
Do you fly with a lot of these people who were hired in the last 2-3 years? Most of them left a cushy job as a regional captain and took a huge pay cut. They were sold they would be back in the left seat in a few years making even more money and be home every night. Instead they are looking at no movement, no upgrades indefinitely, 5+ years after that to hold a line as a captain and getting TDY'd or stuck in a base they don't want. They feel lied to and swindled.
Then they see the company getting out bid for airplanes we were sure to get and instead investing in go karts and hotels. That huge swimming pool! Why should they believe anything the company says at this point when they have been lied to at every turn and every big airline is hiring? These people are about to exodus and who is going to replace them when we start hiring again after they spread the word?
Your optimism is admirable. Maybe you're that ray of sunshine guy. Not everyone shares it. I say it all the time, but I'm glad I retire soon.
Then they see the company getting out bid for airplanes we were sure to get and instead investing in go karts and hotels. That huge swimming pool! Why should they believe anything the company says at this point when they have been lied to at every turn and every big airline is hiring? These people are about to exodus and who is going to replace them when we start hiring again after they spread the word?
Your optimism is admirable. Maybe you're that ray of sunshine guy. Not everyone shares it. I say it all the time, but I'm glad I retire soon.
Preach on!
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11-04-2018, 02:49 AM
#5945
On Reserve
Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 20
Originally Posted by ecam
Do you fly with a lot of these people who were hired in the last 2-3 years? Most of them left a cushy job as a regional captain and took a huge pay cut. They were sold they would be back in the left seat in a few years making even more money and be home every night. Instead they are looking at no movement, no upgrades indefinitely, 5+ years after that to hold a line as a captain and getting TDY'd or stuck in a base they don't want. THEY FEEL LIED TO AND SWINDLED.
Then they see the company getting out bid for airplanes we were sure to get and instead investing in go karts and hotels. That huge swimming pool! Why should they believe anything the company says at this point when they have been lied to at every turn and every big airline is hiring? These people are about to exodus and who is going to replace them when we start hiring again after they spread the word?
Then they see the company getting out bid for airplanes we were sure to get and instead investing in go karts and hotels. That huge swimming pool! Why should they believe anything the company says at this point when they have been lied to at every turn and every big airline is hiring? These people are about to exodus and who is going to replace them when we start hiring again after they spread the word?
Last edited by RunningB; 11-04-2018 at 02:53 AM. Reason: Capitalized the key sentence
11-04-2018, 03:43 AM
#5946
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2014
Position: 80 to 320
Posts: 66
Originally Posted by RunningB
Being one of those folks myself I can confirm that is EXACTLY how the majority of us feel. Personally, I'm out at the first opportunity
11-04-2018, 03:50 AM
#5947
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2014
Position: 80 to 320
Posts: 66
Originally Posted by ecam
Do you fly with a lot of these people who were hired in the last 2-3 years? Most of them left a cushy job as a regional captain and took a huge pay cut. They were sold they would be back in the left seat in a few years making even more money and be home every night. Instead they are looking at no movement, no upgrades indefinitely, 5+ years after that to hold a line as a captain and getting TDY'd or stuck in a base they don't want. They feel lied to and swindled.
Then they see the company getting out bid for airplanes we were sure to get and instead investing in go karts and hotels. That huge swimming pool! Why should they believe anything the company says at this point when they have been lied to at every turn and every big airline is hiring? These people are about to exodus and who is going to replace them when we start hiring again after they spread the word?
Your optimism is admirable. Maybe you're that ray of sunshine guy. Not everyone shares it. I say it all the time, but I'm glad I retire soon.
Then they see the company getting out bid for airplanes we were sure to get and instead investing in go karts and hotels. That huge swimming pool! Why should they believe anything the company says at this point when they have been lied to at every turn and every big airline is hiring? These people are about to exodus and who is going to replace them when we start hiring again after they spread the word?
Your optimism is admirable. Maybe you're that ray of sunshine guy. Not everyone shares it. I say it all the time, but I'm glad I retire soon.
11-04-2018, 05:13 AM
#5949
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: Bus Driver
Posts: 38
Originally Posted by ecam
... Most of them left a cushy job as a regional captain and took a huge pay cut. They were sold they would be back in the left seat in a few years making even more money and be home every night...
hahaha that doesn't exist
11-04-2018, 05:14 AM
#5950
Gets Everyday Off
Joined APC: Aug 2016
Position: Relaxed
Posts: 6,945
There are guys who, until a few years ago, spent 25 years with a regional, only recently getting hired by a major.
There are guys who were furloughed after 9/11 and left for a desk job. They only recently returned to the right seat at age 60.
Your grandparents (or great grandparents) and my father used an outhouse growing up.
In 1900, the average male life expectancy was 46.
...And you are complaining about your situation? Here, here is an application to be a greeter at Walmart.
(And, yes, keep your apps out where you really want to work. Hope you get on with them in the next couple of years.)
There are guys who were furloughed after 9/11 and left for a desk job. They only recently returned to the right seat at age 60.
Your grandparents (or great grandparents) and my father used an outhouse growing up.
In 1900, the average male life expectancy was 46.
...And you are complaining about your situation? Here, here is an application to be a greeter at Walmart.
(And, yes, keep your apps out where you really want to work. Hope you get on with them in the next couple of years.)
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