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02-19-2017, 01:17 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
I'm not sure why you would respond to THAT question in that manner.
I guess it's because you think we should never give up anything. In a way you are correct, we are in a place that we should never give anything of value. But those are hulls are here. We will never get them on the mainline. If we could TRADE the 5 extra seats on hose hulls in exchange for parking most of the 50 seat fleet and greatly expanding the 100 seat fleet on the mainline, wouldn't that be a much better deal over all? Isn't that what the Holt Grail, Delta, did?
Or do we want that flying? I mean, they have a hard time filling the E190 Captain seat, and it's not just pay. Most guys I fly with have a regional background and say they don't want anything to do with it. Heck, it's so junior that even the youngin' Mainline can hold it!
Take a minute to really read and think about what I'm about to write. I'd never tell the company "NO!" I'd say "Sure, we'll look at it." Then I'd study study it and if it didn't make sense I'd say "We just can't do it", or make the cost so high they'd walk away. I think when we draw lines in the sand with this management team we get played. It's the old Br'er Rabbit routine. They get us so wrapped around the axle about things they don't care about that we don't pay attention as they lift our wallet.
I guess it's because you think we should never give up anything. In a way you are correct, we are in a place that we should never give anything of value. But those are hulls are here. We will never get them on the mainline. If we could TRADE the 5 extra seats on hose hulls in exchange for parking most of the 50 seat fleet and greatly expanding the 100 seat fleet on the mainline, wouldn't that be a much better deal over all? Isn't that what the Holt Grail, Delta, did?
Or do we want that flying? I mean, they have a hard time filling the E190 Captain seat, and it's not just pay. Most guys I fly with have a regional background and say they don't want anything to do with it. Heck, it's so junior that even the youngin' Mainline can hold it!
Take a minute to really read and think about what I'm about to write. I'd never tell the company "NO!" I'd say "Sure, we'll look at it." Then I'd study study it and if it didn't make sense I'd say "We just can't do it", or make the cost so high they'd walk away. I think when we draw lines in the sand with this management team we get played. It's the old Br'er Rabbit routine. They get us so wrapped around the axle about things they don't care about that we don't pay attention as they lift our wallet.
They can greatly expand the 100 seat fleet right now without our permission. We don't have to give something up for that. That would be a huge no for me.
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02-19-2017, 03:39 PM
#42
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Position: A320 Capt
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Originally Posted by Saabs
They can greatly expand the 100 seat fleet right now without our permission. We don't have to give something up for that. That would be a huge no for me.
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That's fine, and probably the best move. I just don't think we need to telegraph that to the company. I think that was a red herring from Kirby before and the APA took it as a great win. I think they got played.
02-19-2017, 03:41 PM
#43
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Originally Posted by mainlineAF
You're on a roll today!! I love it!!
Delta didn't allow bigger RJs. They allowed more 76 seaters while reducing the overall number of RJs. That's a whole lots different than allowing bigger airplanes.
I don't buy the whole "I don't want to fly the 190/ whatever small narrowbody" argument. It goes junior here bc we only have 20 of them so the flying is kind of lames, it's only based in PHL and pay sucks. Throw some in CLT or DFW and have them pay like the 717 pays at Delta ($13/hr more than 12 yr 77/74 FO) and it would go senior quick. It is NOT bc people don't want to fly Regional style schedules.
Now, isn't it time for your nap gramps?!?! 🤣
Delta didn't allow bigger RJs. They allowed more 76 seaters while reducing the overall number of RJs. That's a whole lots different than allowing bigger airplanes.
I don't buy the whole "I don't want to fly the 190/ whatever small narrowbody" argument. It goes junior here bc we only have 20 of them so the flying is kind of lames, it's only based in PHL and pay sucks. Throw some in CLT or DFW and have them pay like the 717 pays at Delta ($13/hr more than 12 yr 77/74 FO) and it would go senior quick. It is NOT bc people don't want to fly Regional style schedules.
Now, isn't it time for your nap gramps?!?! 🤣
Naw, no nap scooter. Was waiting for the weather to clear before I headed to the beach for an 8 mile run and 14 mile bike ride. I want to do my best to be here, and pester you, for as long as possible!😂
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