EMBFlyer

Well, if a certain board member hadn't pitched a hissy fit because he didn't get his way and direct the Negotiating Committee to remove all jumpseat language from the JCBA, maybe we wouldn't be in this spot.

aa73

^^^agree completely

cactusmike

Yes, our jumpseat program is a mess. Now that I'm commuting I face this every week, weight restrictions that can bump me out of the jumpseat, the inability to list in first because the default is coach, not being able to input the jumpseat PNR into jetnet. Crazy system.

And who would have thought the 737 would have a more comfortable j/s than the airbus? I am grateful to the crews who have been super in letting me ride. Every crew I have asked has been gracious and understanding.

saxman66

They haven't gotten us approval to upgrade yet. Last memo I saw said it would eventually happen, but that was awhile ago. With jumpseating, the problem comes when listing as D6UJ, and then an online jumpseater comes at the last minute, it's difficult to get back to being listed as a simple non-rev.

Name User

I've never had an issue importing my PNR into jetnet.

DarinFred

Was it TW?

Nevjets

Which is exactly why being able to list for the Jumpseat and a non-rev is not a big deal, or it shouldn't be. By the way, you can do it. The system lets you do it. But if the gate agent notices it, you will be in big trouble. I found this out the first time I tried to commute on AA thinking it wasn't an issue.

deltajuliet

A lot of this has been addressed in subsequent posts, but yeah, take the following example: you've had the day from hell and you're rushing to make the last flight home for your one day off tomorrow. You pull up the wonderful myIDtravel site that doesn't show you if mainline pilots already have the jumpseat, and you see 3 open seats with 27 non-revs. Naturally you're always near the bottom of the list because you're not mainline and you're not wholly-owned, so a retiree's neighbor has priority over you going to work or home. Fine. 17 people are D2's, the rest D3's. You can list AAC and get between them (for the low low price of $1.58/leg) and hope 15 people don't make the flight, or you can list D6, be literally at the bottom, but have a shot at the jumpseat if it isn't already taken. Here's the catch: how many of those 27 are pilots, because they'll almost assuredly get the jumpseat first.

When we first went to this system, our Pass Bureau informed us we should list both ways to be eligible for the cabin or jumpseat. We quickly learned not to do that from the vitriol spewed at us by gate agents, though I'm not sure what harm it did, or why AAC can't simply be jumpseat eligible. The other cool thing is that if the only available seats are in first class, SOP is that we're left behind barring intervention from the Captain.

I miss Wings.

aa73

1) The reason it is absolutely not acceptable to list for AAC and then inform the agent you're FDJ qualified is because, as an AAC, you have a certain spot on the standby list (for the cabin only) that is above regular D6s (OAL pilots) who very well may have checked in well ahead of you. By then informing the agent that you'll take the FDJ, you've just taken advantage of that higher spot on the priority list and screwed over those other D6s out of the jumpseat, since they may have checked in ahead of you and thus would have priority for the jumpseat.

2) If there are ANY first class seats available, you'll always be in one of them on my flights - last seats left or not.

deltajuliet

I appreciate point #2, and likewise. However, in regards to AAC vs D6 it's always felt like a ploy to get a few extra pennies out of certain less-favored employees. Otherwise, why have two different possible priorities for the same person? It's also a double edged sword for the reasons illustrated earlier and a classic damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. Could we just get straight D3 status, make that jumpseat eligible, and call it good? Or heck, access to Jetnet after two years if only to see what the loads really look like?