Getting Hired with No 121 time
 

I know AA and other majors are hiring off the street now. Is there really any chance of being hired off the street? Currently 135 with many years of experience. Cant afford to take pay cut to go to regionals at this point. Around 2500 TT almost 1000 Turbine (Mostly PC-12) Training Captain experience.

Maybe JetBlue. They have hired many turboprop folks lately who have zero jet time since it is harder for them to bail to United or Delta. Southwest might have given you a shot with your part 135 customer-service experience, but it appears that you lack jet time unless you failed to mention that in your post. Also, your total time is super low. United's newhire average is 4500 TT to 6500 TT. Delta hires 3000 hr TT, but it's a far cry from the norm--more so the exception. You have zero chance with American right now. They hire fighter pilots and 15000 hr TT regional captains with everyone else coming through the flow-through regionals. Obtain the jet time, go part 121 and take the pay cut. Also don't forget VOLUNTEER every chance that you have available to you. ;)

Your quals are good, but not very competitive in today's market. Just my opinion. You should try to obtain more AMEL turbine PIC IMHO.

Perhaps in several years when the pickings are even slimmer, PC-12 time will unlock the door here, but unless you've got an uncle in management, I can't see it happening today.

I'd do whatever you can to get some different, more attractive to the legacy carriers time. Waiting around for the call while flying what you're flying could cost you thousands of seniority numbers and hundreds of thousands of dollars. Good luck.

United has been hiring a lot of 135 & 91 corporate guys in an effort to diversify their new hire pool. I would definitely recommend trying for them. Job fairs and active volunteering is a must.

You've got a better chance applying than you do not applying...

I'd also shoot for the U/LCCs and ACMIs while you start saving for that paycut so you can survive as a regional pilot if those avenues don't work.

well, we did just hire a 23 year old.

I wonder who's kid THAT is? I know check airman who couldn't even get their kids an interview. I think it's a pretty clear indication of how screwed up the hiring process is here.

Move to a corporate jet time, get some jet PIC. SE Turboprop won't do it now and probably for quite some time. You should be able to get a CL350, G280 job with that resume.

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Thanks Guys.

I figured the lack of jet time would be the kicker. I'm trying to make that happen now. Maybe a year or two and 600 Jet time will put me over the edge. I appreciate the insight.

Someone said he had 4,000 hrs. Does anyone know if he's connected to anyone in management? Msybe he isn't. A basic recommendation is to be better than your peers to get noticed. Maybe 4,000 hrs at 23 yrs old triggers the computer review?

Here's a post about the 23 yo -

"I've flown with him several times and he's probably the best FO I've flown with. King Air CA before he was 20, graduated with a 4 year degree in 3 years while also flying a ton. Great guy and I'm very happy to see him moving on to bigger and better things."

Regionals are offering higher pay now and certain ones have quick upgrades. If you went to the regionals and assuming you have your 4 year degree you will most likely be hired by a legacy years and thousands of seniority numbers sooner. Taking a small pay cut now could earn you a million plus more over your career. Taking that leap will impress those that interview you in future when they see how you were willing to sacrifice pay to get the appropriate experience.

You are WAY low on total time. You'll need double that to get noticed and be competing with guys with MUCH higher quality time. Go to a regional with a flow if you have a hAArd on for AA

How much total multi-engine time do you have?

What is "many years"?

Almost 2500? How much lower?

Almost 1000 turbine? How much isn't PC-12? How much is TPIC? How much is in a two man aircraft?

Training Captain experience? Where? 135? What type a/c?

We had a just turned 24 year old in my class. Sharp kid. He did intern work at American and then went to Great Lakes (Flying 1900's) and then flew there as a captain then to Trans State and took the Left seat RJ job to get the Jet PIC time.
Wonder young man that was a brunt of the jokes in class and took it like a champion. Those two are totally set.

Sitting at 2465, I was little high on Turbine. I'm actually at abut 785 about 110 isn't PC-12. Only about 45 is Multi Turbine. Training Captain in the PC-12. 135 Company Instructor. Training new pilots, and complete 6 month recurrent for the rest of our crew. All my turbine time is in a crew environment.

So you think at 45hrs multi turbine you are qualified to fly at the majors? Maybe a regional job is what you need to be looking at. Most new hires are 8000 hrs plus with 5-15 years 121. Don't waste another second flying a single engine a/c if you want to fly at the big 3. Go to a wholly owned airline and start logging 121 multi jet turbine. Worst case is you flow to American Airlines in 6-12 years.

More like another couple of thousand hours of jet time.

There are numerous Regionals to choose from that'll pay you well, get you the desired 121 time, and have fairly quick upgrades for TPIC. Like mentioned above, a few have Flow programs with AA. Your current times are far from competitive. Not trying to be harsh, just realistic.

So, I have been updating my app for a good while now and finally getting to those barely qualifying #'s (4K tt{all 135/91} PIC jet time and finishing my bachelors). I'm interested in knowing if the "FIT" assessment on the application ever expires? or is it a one time and you're done sort of thing?

OP - There's an entire thread about getting hired where guys have put down their qualifications when they got the major job. There's dozens, and perhaps hundreds, of resumes listed. The airlines also put out some averages. Basically the median guy has about 3000-4000 hrs PIC and 5000-7500 hrs total. Most of them are jet qualified, or turboprop qualified, in several different aircraft. The number of single engine turboprop pilots getting hired might be zero, especially with 2500 hrs TT.

You're competing with RJ Captains that have thousands of hours of 121 experience flying multi-engine turbine equipment. Nothing On your resume screams "major material".....you need a job at a regional to be even remotely competitive.

any guesses on when/if guys with between 3,000 and 3,500 TT and 1,000 TPIC might start getting looked at?

Right now, when they're within 6 months of getting off Active Duty.

It's probably not impossible for non military with those flight hours to get looked at but they're probably going to need something substantial outside of flying to make their resume breakout from the crowd.

Maybe around 5500-6500 hours. Unless you have amazing volunteer work.

I know thats what is competitive now, i was just wondering when/if that number would make it down in the 3,000 range.

When B-61s & W-76s start raining down on Pongyang you can kiss any hiring goodbye for at least 5 years

So the airlines are just going to massively shrink?

Pilots can never be happy. In the midst of the biggest hiring boom ever, someone always has to remind us that it won't last forever. Between the made up threat of age 67, or reminder of terrorist attacks, or war. And while they are right, it won't last forever (nothing does) everyone is fully aware that things can change on a moments notice in this industry, without someone adding it as a caveat to every thread.

Which thread would this be in? Thx

Guess someone didn't like the dose of reality to the thread.
AA (and others) have a tendency to hire up until they furlough.

A word to the wise for all new hires everywhere. Make sure you have a furlough fund and hopefully you won't need to use it.

Nobody minds reality, but let's have it on both sides of the coin. So if bombs fall on NK, does everybody at the airlines stop aging? Retirements are coming regardless of what happens in the world. You would need massive shrinkage of over 5% a year to not need to hire for retirements. And that's just the mandatories. To say nothing of those that leave before 65 or lose their medical, LTD etc.

I still think some people don't grasp the number of retirements the next 10 years.

Well, another flaw in your plan is the 1k tpic. Can't think of anyone that requires it anymore. So with 3k you might get lucky with Virgin, Alaska, and or Frontier.

Big difference between required minimums and competitive minimums. Only about 5% of applicants are hired without a significant amount of PIC experience.

Cool thanks

DL 2015(?) civilian avg was 7600 TT and 4100 PIC.

That's the median guy. That's what I'd be shooting for.