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Originally Posted by Sliceback
(Post 2459275)
He said mid 2013 DOH for upgrade. There's a significant bump between early and mid 2013 DOH's -
4/2013 = 12,2xx 5/2013 = 12,3xx 6/2013 = 12,45x 10/2013 = 12,48x So first 2013 DOH to 'summer' 2013 is 700-800 numbers. I'd find the difference between junior CA last year vs 12 months later in 2017, add maybe 150(?) numbers for the increased retirements and that would be my guess for the junior CA number a year from now. |
Originally Posted by Sliceback
(Post 2459260)
Another factor is the increase in additional G4 a/c. Line holding FO pays the same as 76 hrs of G2 CA rsv pay. The decision to give up 75% relative seniority, in a great gig, to upgrade to junior n/b domestic CA on reserve, makes G4 FO's pause. It's a constant topic of discussion since 1538 of 1541 G4 FO's are senior to the junior CA in the system.
So roughly 1930 G4 FO jobs, of which 1868 of them are senior to the junior captain in the system. |
Originally Posted by Al Czervik
(Post 2459651)
I was saying I don’t see 2013 hires mixed in with 1999 hires.
Actually 1998 and 1999 hires are mixed in with 2013 DOH's for about 230 numbers. |
Originally Posted by Sliceback
(Post 2459672)
It's 11,686 up to 11,918.
Actually 1998 and 1999 hires are mixed in with 2013 DOH's for about 230 numbers. |
A big potential stumbling block for all this would be the elimination of D and I divisions.
I’m sure this is the plan, and that will mean a good many fewer pilots to cover the same flying. |
D&I is long gone. Just a matter of when and Miami (largest one of split) is combined next year. The rest is minimal compared to Miami.
It won’t be as bad but pilots voted yes. Miami number of flights on the narrow body equipment (departures a day) isn’t close to equivalent to the number of bodies they have on the narrow bodies. It’ll be hurt some but can’t imagine it’ll be as bad as implied. |
Originally Posted by Al Czervik
(Post 2459166)
I’m not seeing the same scramble. What I can see is the most senior 2013 hire is 11,6xx I see him surrounded by 2001 hires. The last of the 1999 hires are mixed with 2004 guys.
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Originally Posted by meyers9163
(Post 2459798)
D&I is long gone. Just a matter of when and Miami (largest one of split) is combined next year. The rest is minimal compared to Miami.
It won’t be as bad but pilots voted yes. Miami number of flights on the narrow body equipment (departures a day) isn’t close to equivalent to the number of bodies they have on the narrow bodies. It’ll be hurt some but can’t imagine it’ll be as bad as implied. |
Originally Posted by Al Czervik
(Post 2459796)
I’m not sure what list you’re looking at. The latest company list has 11,685 as the first 2013 hire. There are ZERO 1999 or 2001 hires in between that and 11,918. They are all 2001.
into the woods... |
Originally Posted by Sliceback
(Post 2460462)
You’re correct. I mentally switched their company date, which for f/t’s was earlier, with their Occ Seniority date, which is how I wandered off
into the woods... |
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