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ORDinary 10-26-2017 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by GodIsGood (Post 2454838)
It's not the lesser of the two. The language states 50% of the new hire classes at AA will be flow through from Envoy. However, Envoy management can restrict that to 25 if they claim the 50% would cause operational difficulty. Envoy hired over 100 pilots last month alone but we still metered to 25. Operational difficulty is very subjective.

It isn't just the subjectivity of the phrase that is the problem, it is management's bad faith interpretation. We metered while zero time lines were in our bid packet and reserves weren't flying. RW said in public that we will always meter. How could he know that we would always have operational difficulty? He couldn't. But he knows that management will always interpret whatever realities occur as such. That is not the same as subjectivity. That is a dishonest practice, cut and dry.

Flying101 10-26-2017 12:02 PM

Can AA meter all three WO to zero and hire like other airline do?

Sliceback 10-26-2017 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by Doctor (Post 2454321)
With SMP starting in January, I'm thinking many will leave earlier now that they have medical insurance to carry them to 65 until medicare kicks in.

Many have had SMP for years and havn't left. Even military guys with Tricare have stayed past 62.

Amongst A scalers it was more like 60% left around 60 and 40% stayed to 65. Avg retirement age was 62. Now it's 64. Ninety percent stay to 65, 10% leave around 60.

Name User 10-26-2017 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2454594)
She looks younger than him, but the VS supermodel, G5 and the partying claims? I don’t think he’s got that much Zip in his step.

When I flew with him last he was up to a second Gulfstream.

Nice guy too, he didn’t need to fabricate his life.

AFTrainerGuy 10-26-2017 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2454326)
LOL I know exactly who you are talking about!

Ran the info through a google his wife runs a roofing business out of their house in GA. I think she was a model a LONG time ago.

I honestly wasn’t aware someone could BS that much and do it so eloquently...

Dont forget the Ruth Chris Steakhouse he owns of the penthouse in the Aria. Last trip I had played a game that every time he set his hooks to talk the BS, I changed discussion and wouldn’t let him spout his stuff. Over 4 days, I never let him get one of his lies outof his mouth. Amused me to no end and I’m sure frustrated him. I even watched him build the pics on photoshop while we flew.

That guy is completely delusional

Flying101 10-26-2017 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by AFTrainerGuy (Post 2455048)
Dont forget the Ruth Chris Steakhouse he owns of the penthouse in the Aria. Last trip I had played a game that every time he set his hooks to talk the BS, I changed discussion and wouldn’t let him spout his stuff. Over 4 days, I never let him get one of his lies outof his mouth. Amused me to no end and I’m sure frustrated him. I even watched him build the pics on photoshop while we flew.

That guy is completely delusional

Where's Richie Rich based?

Saabs 10-26-2017 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by Flying101 (Post 2455059)
Where's Richie Rich based?

Charlotte. Used to always fly redeyes.

Flying101 10-26-2017 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 2455096)
Charlotte. Used to always fly redeyes.

Ouch! Rumor has it one of Miami finest went to CLT, he even switched airplanes :-/

Dolphinflyer 10-26-2017 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by Flying101 (Post 2455100)
Ouch! Rumor has it one of Miami finest went to CLT, he even switched airplanes :-/

Any paperclips used on the Bus for holding stuff like the ATIS/WX or Load Closeout?

CaptKrunch 10-26-2017 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by Flying101 (Post 2454936)
Can AA meter all three WO to zero and hire like other airline do?

No they can’t. At least for PSA they can hold till December but all Flow pilots must go before December 31st if hiring was done at AA.


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