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TrinityDawn 10-25-2017 02:17 PM
Originally Posted by Saabs (Post 2454260)
Wth is a protected pilot
Pre-bankruptcy, AE's aircraft were listed as owned by AE. Our contract specified that those aircraft must be owned by AE, and that we would operate them. The company decided to transfer ownership of the aircraft to AA, and ALPA filed a grievance. As part of the grievance settlement, a flow through agreement was established for all pilots on property as of the date of signing (OCT of '11) that didn't already have AA numbers or would be included in the 824 grievance settlement. The agreement refers to them as "protected pilots."

Doctor 10-25-2017 02:24 PM
Originally Posted by Flying101 (Post 2454130)
Every CA (737) I fly with is 55+ ... not a single one is waiting till 65. I'm curious how many pilots are leaving early.
With SMP starting in January, I'm thinking many will leave earlier now that they have medical insurance to carry them to 65 until medicare kicks in.

Name User 10-25-2017 02:33 PM
Originally Posted by Andrew_VT (Post 2454201)
Do you also believe them when they tell you they're married to French supermodels or own their own Gulfstreams?
LOL I know exactly who you are talking about!

Ran the info through a google his wife runs a roofing business out of their house in GA. I think she was a model a LONG time ago.

I honestly wasn’t aware someone could BS that much and do it so eloquently...

Flying101 10-25-2017 03:07 PM
Originally Posted by TrinityDawn (Post 2454314)
A further modification of the protected pilot agreement occurred with the signing of the second bankruptcy contract. Upon delivery of the 40th E-175 to envoy (which we have received now) the flow for the protected pilot group goes up to 50% of AA new hire classes, meterable to 25. (I'm not going to include the exact text, but that's the gist.) So, the contractual flow rate for envoy during the protected pilot group does actually take AA class size into consideration. That's all I was pointing out. Unfortunately, the company has chosen to go with the minimum they think they can get away with, and not the spirit and intent of the agreement.
Regardless of what you guys have going on at Eagle/Envoy.. next year you'll flow roughly 300-400 another 150 will come from PDT and PSA . That would leave roughly 300-400 to come from military or civilian.

PRS Guitars 10-25-2017 05:58 PM
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ORDinary 10-25-2017 06:51 PM
Originally Posted by TrinityDawn (Post 2454157)
That's not quite correct. The "protected pilot" flow at envoy that was the result of a grievance settlement is *supposed* to give us 50% of new hire class slots at AA for everyone still here that was hired before OCT of '11. However, the company has chosen to take the minimum metering of 25/mo as the target instead, which the union is grieving (for all the good it will do.) We should flow 450 from envoy next year, but my guess is it will end up being 300 despite the contract language. Just another broken promise.
The last few years AA hasn't had December classes, so 275 for envoy.

TransWorld 10-25-2017 06:53 PM
Originally Posted by TrinityDawn (Post 2454314)
Upon delivery of the 40th E-175 to envoy (which we have received now) the flow for the protected pilot group goes up to 50% of AA new hire classes, meterable to 25.
Stated in plain English, Envoy’s flow of the current Protected Pilots is the LESSER of 50% of the AA new hire class or 25 per month. Is that what everyone understands?

In other words, if AA hires more than 600 pilots per year (50 per month) the max of 25 per month (300 per year) is reached.

All the caveats apply about any month without a class will decrease the 300 per year by 25, etc., etc.

Al Czervik 10-26-2017 12:45 AM
Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2454326)
LOL I know exactly who you are talking about!

Ran the info through a google his wife runs a roofing business out of their house in GA. I think she was a model a LONG time ago.

I honestly wasn’t aware someone could BS that much and do it so eloquently...
She looks younger than him, but the VS supermodel, G5 and the partying claims? I don’t think he’s got that much Zip in his step.

Andrew_VT 10-26-2017 04:48 AM
Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2454594)
Zip in his step.
I see what you did there :-)

GodIsGood 10-26-2017 09:50 AM
Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 2454506)
Stated in plain English, Envoy’s flow of the current Protected Pilots is the LESSER of 50% of the AA new hire class or 25 per month. Is that what everyone understands?
It's not the lesser of the two. The language states 50% of the new hire classes at AA will be flow through from Envoy. However, Envoy management can restrict that to 25 if they claim the 50% would cause operational difficulty. Envoy hired over 100 pilots last month alone but we still metered to 25. Operational difficulty is very subjective.


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