Company Culture
03-27-2018, 07:50 PM
#104
Gets Summer Off
Joined APC: May 2009
Position: AA
Posts: 667
Originally Posted by aa73
Uncalled for, and lame.
03-27-2018, 07:53 PM
#105
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 289
Originally Posted by Name User
I cringe when the CA is a d bag to our FAs. Nothing will make your trip worse than an inflight group that hates the pilots.
One thing that I've done lately is to not answer when they ask about political views as inevitably it comes up on the first leg or two. Some of these guys need to watch it in our new world, I have pretty thick skin but there are liberal and or gay pilots out there who aren't pro boots and guns who will easily take offense to the crap they are spewing. Oh and it's a double cringe when they start off with "the problem with the blacks" which can be heard through the door and our black #1 hears it. Note this is generally directed to the nAAtive folks...
One thing that I've done lately is to not answer when they ask about political views as inevitably it comes up on the first leg or two. Some of these guys need to watch it in our new world, I have pretty thick skin but there are liberal and or gay pilots out there who aren't pro boots and guns who will easily take offense to the crap they are spewing. Oh and it's a double cringe when they start off with "the problem with the blacks" which can be heard through the door and our black #1 hears it. Note this is generally directed to the nAAtive folks...
Originally Posted by flydc
Maybe I’m isolated from this on the E190, but I haven’t had to deal with any of this. I would walk out of that cockpit so fast.
03-28-2018, 03:19 AM
#106
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Narrow/Left Wide/Right
Posts: 3,655
Originally Posted by R57 relay
Yep, and that applies to both seats.
I’ve got free, glowing recommendation letters to Delta for anyone that wants one.
I’ve had a really long run of good flying partners. We all complain, but I saw a big change in attitude after the raise-money talks.
I’ve asked many times on C&R, but don’t remember getting an answer-how many airlines have you worked for that gave you as much outside of section 6 as we’ve been given? I did get one answer, that it was a conspiracy to screw us later.
On pay issues-I rarely have any. I wonder if there is a big difference in LAA and LUS pay systems and effectiveness of their respective operations.
I’ve got free, glowing recommendation letters to Delta for anyone that wants one.
I’ve had a really long run of good flying partners. We all complain, but I saw a big change in attitude after the raise-money talks.
I’ve asked many times on C&R, but don’t remember getting an answer-how many airlines have you worked for that gave you as much outside of section 6 as we’ve been given? I did get one answer, that it was a conspiracy to screw us later.
On pay issues-I rarely have any. I wonder if there is a big difference in LAA and LUS pay systems and effectiveness of their respective operations.
Mgmt would CHARGE the new hires to ride non-rev TO WORK (for something like 6 or 12 yrs) (if there was a seat) prompting many to commute offline to save money.
One new hire that got bumped back to Eagle after the furloughs had to basically PAY to go sit reserve in San Juan according to him due to non-rev fees, taxes to commute.
When AA furloughed, they CUT OFF all their furloughees from non-rev bene's (even with a fee) after like 90 days forcing many to find ways to get to financial life-saving reserve jobs on their own, all while the other majors made some sort of non-rev provisions last through the furloughs.
After Delta got their new contract in late 2000 I believe, mgmt at AA offered Delta + 1%, with the only caveat being that future disputes went to baseball style arbitration (each side proposes solution, mediator just picks one) but APA thought it was a "trap" for the future so turned it down, obviously no one thought 9-11 type of downturn was coming, but that one ended up hurting.
Anyway, today's AA Mgmt has given PS outside of section 6, offered raises outside of section 6, and improved work rules outside section 6. That would have been inconceivable in years past!
It would seem to compare AA "culture" today to the past, at least from a mgmt/APA animosity level, it seems to have completely changed.
Best of luck to APA/AA in keeping up the forward momentum.
03-29-2018, 10:06 PM
#107
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2018
Position: B787 CA
Posts: 28
Originally Posted by full of luv
Aint this the truth!!! In my reserve unit 20yrs ago, EVERY AA pilot would BEOTCH about the company and Mgmt and the way they were treated as cost units.
Mgmt would CHARGE the new hires to ride non-rev TO WORK (for something like 6 or 12 yrs) (if there was a seat) prompting many to commute offline to save money.
One new hire that got bumped back to Eagle after the furloughs had to basically PAY to go sit reserve in San Juan according to him due to non-rev fees, taxes to commute.
When AA furloughed, they CUT OFF all their furloughees from non-rev bene's (even with a fee) after like 90 days forcing many to find ways to get to financial life-saving reserve jobs on their own, all while the other majors made some sort of non-rev provisions last through the furloughs.
After Delta got their new contract in late 2000 I believe, mgmt at AA offered Delta + 1%, with the only caveat being that future disputes went to baseball style arbitration (each side proposes solution, mediator just picks one) but APA thought it was a "trap" for the future so turned it down, obviously no one thought 9-11 type of downturn was coming, but that one ended up hurting.
Anyway, today's AA Mgmt has given PS outside of section 6, offered raises outside of section 6, and improved work rules outside section 6. That would have been inconceivable in years past!
It would seem to compare AA "culture" today to the past, at least from a mgmt/APA animosity level, it seems to have completely changed.
Best of luck to APA/AA in keeping up the forward momentum.
Mgmt would CHARGE the new hires to ride non-rev TO WORK (for something like 6 or 12 yrs) (if there was a seat) prompting many to commute offline to save money.
One new hire that got bumped back to Eagle after the furloughs had to basically PAY to go sit reserve in San Juan according to him due to non-rev fees, taxes to commute.
When AA furloughed, they CUT OFF all their furloughees from non-rev bene's (even with a fee) after like 90 days forcing many to find ways to get to financial life-saving reserve jobs on their own, all while the other majors made some sort of non-rev provisions last through the furloughs.
After Delta got their new contract in late 2000 I believe, mgmt at AA offered Delta + 1%, with the only caveat being that future disputes went to baseball style arbitration (each side proposes solution, mediator just picks one) but APA thought it was a "trap" for the future so turned it down, obviously no one thought 9-11 type of downturn was coming, but that one ended up hurting.
Anyway, today's AA Mgmt has given PS outside of section 6, offered raises outside of section 6, and improved work rules outside section 6. That would have been inconceivable in years past!
It would seem to compare AA "culture" today to the past, at least from a mgmt/APA animosity level, it seems to have completely changed.
Best of luck to APA/AA in keeping up the forward momentum.
03-30-2018, 04:33 AM
#108
On Reserve
Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 14
Originally Posted by NorthwestAA
It definitely does seem like we’re improving, but a long ways to go to get to Southwest type culture. The Chief pilots they seem to be hiring in LAX, CLT, DFW, etc. seem to all be top notch, which adds hope.
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03-30-2018, 04:34 AM
#109
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Narrow/Left Wide/Right
Posts: 3,655
Originally Posted by NorthwestAA
It definitely does seem like we’re improving, but a long ways to go to get to Southwest type culture. The Chief pilots they seem to be hiring in LAX, CLT, DFW, etc. seem to all be top notch, which adds hope.
There's articles now floating around about how he told an FA that complained about the older/less reliable planes on the LIM market that they save the "good planes" for the "good customers".
While this may be true, and even smart business, like many things that Parker has said in the past, many/most best go unsaid.
03-30-2018, 06:59 AM
#110
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2011
Position: Airbus button pusher
Posts: 2,448
Originally Posted by full of luv
Mgmt at AA (well Parker specifically) seems to know how to "step in it" at least periodically.
There's articles now floating around about how he told an FA that complained about the older/less reliable planes on the LIM market that they save the "good planes" for the "good customers".
While this may be true, and even smart business, like many things that Parker has said in the past, many/most best go unsaid.
There's articles now floating around about how he told an FA that complained about the older/less reliable planes on the LIM market that they save the "good planes" for the "good customers".
While this may be true, and even smart business, like many things that Parker has said in the past, many/most best go unsaid.
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