:rolleyes:

bad life choices?

Could be that or it could be the defacto apartheid state that existed in much of this country for generations. Or it could be the Murder of many of that community's leaders (lest we never forget MLK, Medgar Evers, et al were murdered for expecting this country to live up to its charter).

Perhaps, maybe.....

I see 2 chicks and maybe 3-4 minorities. Hard to tell sometimes.

Just makes me think this troll is a moron.

over 50 years ago.

I stopped reading days ago. No matter what side you’re on it’s an unwinnable debate. But griping gets you nowhere when trying to get hired.....

A certain demographic of this country was given a 240 year head start. Minorities help build a country that wasn’t designed for us to succeed. I know plenty of black/latino/asian/female pilots still at the regionals waiting for their opportunity. Interesting to note, not one of them has complained or made excuses as to why they have not been given a shot. You read these forums, the majority of the ones making excuses fall into the 95% category. Interesting how that works…

Apparently for some here, that’s too many?

Plenty of us are first generation, can't use that reason forever.

Reading comprehension is key. I don’t know who you are, who you work for, and frankly don’t care. I’ve got my number on the seniority list and am not going anywhere - deal with it. American Airlines will continue to hire the most qualified candidates moving forward regardless of race/gender, etc. Keep preaching that narrative if it helps you sleep at night.

GHOST

86% of ALL ATP’s are white males. That includes all the retired ATP’s. The growth in one group alone has increased by 4%.
So the current candidate pool is probably closer to 80% white male.

“American Airlines will continue to hire the most qualified candidates moving forward regardless of race/gender, etc.“

If that’s a true statement why were they specifically trying to get more candidates from a specific sup group to apply because they weren’t getting enough experienced/qualified candidates?

And in another example they stated they’d hired twice as many from group X then the overall percentage. That doesn’t happen by accident.

They’ve admitted seeking out and hiring, at least in the last, in ways that wouldn’t occur randomly.

And kids of pilots do tend to get a leg up when it comes to getting hired. But even highly regarded employees have had their kid not get hired. So there’s no guarantee. When it comes to the interview process you stand alone.

22,000+ TT
20,000 PIC
12,000 Tjet
3 Type Ratings (B737, CRJ, CV600/640)
2 decades of 135/121 experience
Perfect Safety Record
No Accidents/Incidents/Violations
4 yr degree

Applications on file for 10+ yrs, updated regularly.

No phone call from AA, UAL, Delta, etc.

Unqualified how, again?

ID

The sentence I highlighted is one of the most comical sentences in this whole thread. You sound like you just quoted a public statement from pretty much EVERY large corporation's Recruitment department.

Almost NO entity hires only the most qualified candidates moving forward. There are so many other variables in play.

When’s the last time you switched aircraft?
Ever do any union or flight department stuff? What? When?
Ten+ years of applying sounds great until you realize that includes a lot of years when no one was hiring.

What have you done, other than fly airplanes, that speaks to who you are as a person? How many job fairs have you been to? When was your last initial? How much volunteer experience do you have? How often have you updated your application? How many letters of recommendation? Do you have a professional appearance? Do you have any experience as an instructor or check airman? Have you held any positions in your union?

Where's the hustle? Anybody can show up to work and fly.. what sets you apart?


Not criticizing you at all. I commend you on 22,000hrs of safe experience. I'm just trying to give you an idea of what they're looking for.

On a jumpseat on day; Captain was a young minority, FO was white, middle aged, male. The entire flight, it was the F.O without any PIC, degree, (stuff which the captain had) who complained about not being at the big 3 and Southwest.

I don't get the no degree mentality. If 99.99% of the people being hired have a degree, you go get a degree.

Listening?

This is a forum where people communicate in the written word, dumbass.

-Never go full retard.

AA promotes lack of education especially with this flow mentality. Just sad...can easily tell the difference in the cockpit easily who went and who didnt...judgement and critical thinking lacking....flow promotes laziness and becoming the best pilot one can be!

If they were hired, then the company that hired them felt they were the best person for the job. It sounds like you just can't fathom that the best person for the job was a person of color or a woman and not you.

These whiny white guy threads give me a headache. Some of you truly live in an alternate reality. From now on it should be required that before you come on here and make one of these dumb@$$ arguments, you must first post your newhire class photo.

This gives me a headache tooo. They might be the best. I agree, but understand concepts of law, tax breaks, tax credits, kickbacks, tax cuts, affirmative action regulations, and quota regulations and legalities. The world we live in as described by all these posts.

PS: I also spent much time in a library and most were women in there with me in the pursuit of education and betterment. #Goals #Theclimb

Good Luck to All!!!

May the odds be ever in your favour

Wow, now we're in high school. Can't understand why some people can't get hired! :rolleyes:

https://i.imgflip.com/tlnjv.jpg

"Judgement and critical thinking lacking"???

Seen most consistently (not to say universally... ) in Zoomie Tweet/Tanker FAP types.

Flows are universally good experienced airline pilots and collectively no lazier than any other demographic.

My 9th grade English teacher would have ripped my ears clean off my pointy little head for writing something as poorly as the post quoted.

Lack of education making itself apparent indeed.

Haha. "POC." When the heck did that PC hor$e $hit start? Sounds like you're the racist one. Have your own name for a person with different skin color?

I haven't flown with a woman yet who wasn't an asset to AA. At my regional yes there were a couple with "questionable" abilities. But those at mainline so far have been aswesome and honestly waaaay better to be with than these blowhard racist far right white dudes down in DFW. We do need more women but I definitely agree it would burn if I saw a bunch of young women getting on over experienced guys, unfortunately that is reality these days.

What about the blowhard racist far left white dudes?

They are vastly outnumbered by the other

It’s only been an almost 100% guaranteed requirement for 40-50 yrs at the major airlines. So don’t be too harsh on them if it snuck up in them.

Like any group there are low performers. Several have taken early retirement, some with a strong nudge from the company.
And some of the best pilots I’ve flown with have been female. The span of ability is from outstanding to really weak.

Show up, do job. Background doesn’t matter. Can you perform today?

Didn’t American hire a double minority (race and gender) who never took any jumpseaters? Best of the best....

Switching aircraft is not an option, unless that means switching carriers. (single type fleet)

Union LEC chairman and FO rep, 2001-2003.

I do realize that I fall into what is referred to as the 'lost RJ decade'. What can you do?

ID

Not taking your comments as criticism, far from it. Just looking for input, like many others.

Stopped going to job fairs, I've got a family to support and frankly can't afford WIA or OBAP conventions. Volunteering? I work with my local Science Olympiad team, but that's about it. Between work and commuting, that leaves little time for family. If that's a requirement now (volunteerism), then I guess I'll stay at my regional. My (little) time with my family is more important to me.

Personal appearance, well you should see my dry cleaning bill!:D

I've done union work (LEC chairman and FO rep). Would love to be in the training department, but that door is closed to me, apparently (although not for want of trying).

Applications are updated every two weeks. Plenty of LOR's. Last initial started in Sept.2000, with upgrade in June 2003. Typed in 737 in July 2006.

Feel free to PM me if you have any further suggestions.

ID

Since this thread deals with diversity, I will say that one area where AA is absolutely not diverse is in hiring OTS. Unfortunately, they hire very few civilians OTS (I think 60 last year), so the numbers aren’t on your side. I wish it were different. Keep trying, but by all means make sure you are applying elsewhere.

I got hired at a job fair, though it was a regional, got hired on the spot.

Damn, that was over 20 years ago, getting old.

Here is a link to a story that is germane to this topic.

Professor rebuked after vowing to boost female students' grades to offset gender imbalances | Fox News

It shows that common sense needs to be in play here.

There seems to be a fascination with creating an equal balance in the workplace between men and women. Go to LinkedIn. They’re obsessed with it what with endless articles and reposts of stories identifying the lack of women in aviation (among other professions as well). Why force women in to things they’re not interested in or men into things they’re not interested in?

This gender gap conversation has to stop.

Please excuse my ignorance- I'm not in the industry. Do airlines prefer and/or actively choose to hire women/minorities over I guess... white males?

Double sided. Under qualified white males complaining, while legacies jump on diversity hires. Qualified applicants are called untrainable yet the are good enough to fly the same passengers at a lower payscale.