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Originally Posted by mainlineAF
(Post 2612931)
Exactly. Remember last month when everyone was complaining about their 20 day lines worth 78 hours?
Saying only reserves fly slash trip is asinine. Everyone? Or a few that screamed the loudest? I’m relatively junior and don’t have to fly those trips unless I want to. They literally all go to reserves in most categories. I guess I misspoke.... not the bottom 10% of the list. The bottom 10% in each category. I’m literally dumbfounded with how many people that think having ACD will positively effect their QOL. The vast majority of you already get more than. 5:15!!!! I’m not trying to pull wool over your eyes. If you don’t believe me, just look at the chart in the bid pack. Oh, and the 5 day trips will pay exactly 26:15. The 3.5:1 Duty rig will kick in and cost the company lots of money if you don’t finish relatively early on day 5. As far as the island turns go.... they will be embedded into 4-5 day trips. You will fly into that hub, overnight, do a turn, overnight, then continue on. They already do this some, especially with the FA’s. I can’t believe everyone is excited about throwing away major QOL to say they got 5:15 on an occasional trip they might have to fly. |
Originally Posted by Saabs
(Post 2612945)
We all have buddies at United swa and delta to name a few. Grass is always greener is definitely somewhat true.
Overall they have better schedules than us across the board on narrowbody. I’ll take ACD any day over what we have. Obviously swa doesn’t have ACD Before someone points that out. Saab, Please share with us your sob story of how many trips you actually fly that don’t average more than 5hrs a day....... if you are honest, I’m guessing not many. |
Originally Posted by AUpilot1
(Post 2612952)
Everyone? Or a few that screamed the loudest? I’m relatively junior and don’t have to fly those trips unless I want to. They literally all go to reserves in most categories.
I guess I misspoke.... not the bottom 10% of the list. The bottom 10% in each category. I’m literally dumbfounded with how many people that think having ACD will positively effect their QOL. The vast majority of you already get more than. 5:15!!!! I’m not trying to pull wool over your eyes. If you don’t believe me, just look at the chart in the bid pack. Oh, and the 5 day trips will pay exactly 26:15. The 3.5:1 Duty rig will kick in and cost the company lots of money if you don’t finish relatively early on day 5. As far as the island turns go.... they will be embedded into 4-5 day trips. You will fly into that hub, overnight, do a turn, overnight, then continue on. They already do this some, especially with the FA’s. I can’t believe everyone is excited about throwing away major QOL to say they got 5:15 on an occasional trip they might have to fly. I just can’t argue with this. |
Originally Posted by AUpilot1
(Post 2612954)
Saab,
Please share with us your sob story of how many trips you actually fly that don’t average more than 5hrs a day....... if you are honest, I’m guessing not many. Edited to add that once you’re senior enough to hold weekends off, you start flying slash trips or four days worth 17-19 hours again. Usually good trips to trade out of ....... on the weekends. But hey, just the bottom 10% right? It will change my schedule on reserve and a lineholder. |
Originally Posted by Saabs
(Post 2612961)
I’m 45% in CLT and bid reserve except during summer season. I get a lot of them. Don’t forget this is also two extra days off they can’t use reserves on. You can and will get used all 18 days sometimes and not to over the 85 hr limit.
Edited to add that once you’re senior enough to hold weekends off, you start flying slash trips or four days worth 17-19 hours again. Usually good trips to trade out of ....... on the weekends. But hey, just the bottom 10% right? It will change my schedule on reserve and a lineholder. Please don’t bring logic and reason into this. |
Originally Posted by mainlineAF
(Post 2612968)
Please don’t bring logic and reason into this.
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Originally Posted by AUpilot1
(Post 2612748)
Oh, just an FYI if you want to take a look. Pull up your monthly bid pack and it has a chart with the average credit per day for each fleet in every base. You will see that our average is already above 5:15. Like I said before, 90% of our pilots will see no benefit to ACD abs will probably lose some QOL. Not sure that it’s worth it.
Slash trips that now pay 11 hours over 3 days show up as 5:30 in AA's bid package calculations but really they are worth 3:40 per day. ACD will make these trips 15:45 for a real 5:15 average per day. Good try with your argument though, but you problem is you relied on company produced numbers. |
Originally Posted by AUpilot1
(Post 2612837)
I personally know a UAL 777 Capt (ex CAL) who did 9 hr day trips out of EWR. As soon as they merged with UAL and they got 5hr ACD they went away. He was so ****ed that everyone was so concerned about getting exactly 5hrs per day. The only way he could keep his QOL was going from the 737 to the 777. He had no interest in flying the 777.
I’ll bet ya that those 5 day trips will pay exactly 26:15. I guess we will see. If you ask APA or the company.... I they will both tell you we are going to have around 20% 5 day trips in some categories. I don’t know why you are so hell bent on fixing a problem that isn’t really a problem for 90% of our pilots. |
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I had a 20 day line this month. Really unproductive. For 16 of the days I was going to get @60 hrs of pay. Less than 4 hrs of pay a day. Ill take ACD
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Originally Posted by Saabs
(Post 2612970)
Does ACD even help you at Eagle?
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