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AUpilot1 06-12-2018 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by A330FoodCritic (Post 2613240)
So, how much better or worse are they after ACD is implemented? I missed that memo. I did see speculation but that's all is was, nothing definite.



I’ll give you one absolute fact right from the Director of Manpower Plannings (CM) mouth on a recent pilot conference call. “We will have a significant number of 5 day trips. Anywhere from 10% to 20%. The percentage will vary month to month and category to category.”

A330FoodCritic 06-12-2018 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by mainlineAF (Post 2613242)
Obviously MCD is superior to ACD. But ACD is better than what we had before.

Don't we want industry leading, not industry compliant?

A330FoodCritic 06-12-2018 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by AUpilot1 (Post 2613267)
I’ll give you one absolute fact right from the Director of Manpower Plannings (CM) mouth on a recent pilot conference call. “We will have a significant number of 5 day trips. Anywhere from 10% to 20%. The percentage will vary month to month and category to category.”

You are scaring me away from NB flying :)

I like 3 day trips.

mainlineAF 06-12-2018 05:04 PM


Originally Posted by A330FoodCritic (Post 2613272)
Don't we want industry leading, not industry compliant?



Of course we do. But with our limited leverage from the Christmas issue ACD was a significant gain.

GreatStory 06-12-2018 05:41 PM

Considering AA margin is horrible, there is a huge probability that when the next recession hits in 2019/20 AA will declare bankruptcy again. This whole thing is kinda moot.

Laker24 06-12-2018 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by GreatStory (Post 2613305)
Considering AA margin is horrible, there is a huge probability that when the next recession hits in 2019/20 AA will declare bankruptcy again. This whole thing is kinda moot.

Are you serious? 9% margins in the airline business are historically excellent. DAL and UAL are facing major capital expenditures as fleet renewals becomes a requirement. AAs debt is largely a function of having the youngest fleet in the industry.

Laker24 06-12-2018 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by AUpilot1 (Post 2613267)
I’ll give you one absolute fact right from the Director of Manpower Plannings (CM) mouth on a recent pilot conference call. “We will have a significant number of 5 day trips. Anywhere from 10% to 20%. The percentage will vary month to month and category to category.”


Earlier you stated that 3 day slash trips paying 11 hours were statistically insignificant since they represented only 10%+- of all trips. So you shouldn’t be worried about the 5 day trips. You already stated 10% is irrelevant. But now that undesirable trip will at least average 5:15 per calendar day instead of 3:30. Using your own logic this is a win. The junior guys will get the 5 day trips (least desirable 10% of pairings) instead of the 3 day slash trips and they will hit 80 hours of credit in 15 days instead of 20.

sherpster 06-12-2018 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by Laker24 (Post 2613316)
Earlier you stated that 3 day slash trips paying 11 hours were statistically insignificant since they represented only 10%+- of all trips. So you shouldn’t be worried about the 5 day trips. You already stated 10% is irrelevant. But now that undesirable trip will at least average 5:15 per calendar day instead of 3:30. Using your own logic this is a win. The junior guys will get the 5 day trips (least desirable 10% of pairings) instead of the 3 day slash trips and they will hit 80 hours of credit in 15 days instead of 20.

Well played. Very well played!

Andrew_VT 06-12-2018 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by Laker24 (Post 2613316)
Earlier you stated that 3 day slash trips paying 11 hours were statistically insignificant since they represented only 10%+- of all trips. So you shouldn’t be worried about the 5 day trips. You already stated 10% is irrelevant. But now that undesirable trip will at least average 5:15 per calendar day instead of 3:30. Using your own logic this is a win. The junior guys will get the 5 day trips (least desirable 10% of pairings) instead of the 3 day slash trips and they will hit 80 hours of credit in 15 days instead of 20.

If 5-days make up 10-20% of the pairings (let's call it 10% for simplicity) and red-eyes (basically a 2.5-day) make up 10% of the pairings then there is twice as much flying (block hours/pay/work days) contained within 5-days!!

If we go from 10% red-eye pairings to 20% 5-days that's over 4 times as much flying contained within 5-day trips as their was in red-eyes!

It's like the Pro-APA Pro-Carey camp not only doesn't understand what's in other airline contracts but doesn't understand basic scheduling math as well.

Laker24 06-12-2018 07:28 PM

I’m sorry that makes no sense. I think you have been infected by the CLT frear uncertainty and doubt


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