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jcountry 06-13-2018 05:55 AM


Originally Posted by AUpilot1 (Post 2613237)
You guys are wearing me out. ACD is settled. There is no use debating it anymore. We can comeback and complain about 5 day trips and lack of high time day trips in a year or two. I’ll start...... This is fAAtiguing..... Worst schedules I’ve ever seen at AA..... How can we let them get away with this...... I’m applying to DL, UA, SW..... informational picketing now...... let’s take out an ad in USA Today...... am I missing anything?

How about some strongly-worded emails from Carey himself??

Can’t wait to see him griping about something he negotiated entirely on his own. Sure. It’s someone else’s fault....

I’m sure that 20k expense he attempted to get reimbursed for his spousal unit was someone else’s fault as well.

nimslow 06-13-2018 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by AUpilot1 (Post 2613076)
As a guy who bids reserve half the year myself, you are full of it! I don’t for one second believe you are flying 18 days. If you are, scheduling has it in for you. I’m way jr to you and 8-12 days working per month is pretty avg. heck, last NOV and DEC I flew 4. If you are flying 18 days on reserve, you are getting hosed and should definitely bid a line that will pay you more.

I get it, you want your cake and eat it too. You aren’t senior enough to hold weekends off on the award, so you bid reserve. I don’t have a problem with that. You do get stuck with all the slash trips on reserve because people trade out of them. I personally like them if I’m on reserve. It’s nice sitting and getting paid while on a nice layover. In my time here I have broken guarantee on reserve once, maybe twice. Reserves on our fleet just really aren’t used that much and I think you know that.

Look, if you want 5:15ACD so you can bid weekends off, that’s cool. But just know that you will be senior someday and you will be working 16 days for 84hrs. I thought a pilots dream was to always be as productive as possible and get 18-21 days off. I know that’s my goal, maybe it’s not yours.

It’s no use arguing anymore. 5:15 ACD is already a done deal. We are waisting our breath. Can’t wait to fly those 5 day trips for 5:15 per day!!

It's very base and seat dependent. Be glad you are in a properly staffed base and seat. In my status, 15+ days a month of flying isn't unusual at all. We spend plenty of time dead heading to other bases, to cover flying as well.

Frip 06-13-2018 07:31 AM

Ahhhhhh....

The old "You'll be senior some day" bit...

Actually, a lot of folks won't be - ever.

If that was even a good reason.

Decades of crap for a couple years' goodies is not a good trade.

Rawhide16 06-13-2018 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by Varks (Post 2613475)
A five day will be worth 25.15.

I think you mean 26.15.

havick206 06-13-2018 12:26 PM

Out of curiosity, how come something as important as a 2 year contract extension in the current market doesn’t go to a vote?

OVBIII 06-13-2018 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 2613820)
Out of curiosity, how come something as important as a 2 year contract extension in the current market doesn’t go to a vote?

To be honest, no one has provided proof this was more than just a rumor. (unless I completely missed it)

Cheddar 06-13-2018 03:28 PM

It’s not even on C&R, so it’s obviously not even close to being a good rumor. Sheesh.

Now what’s a red-eye and since when are we doing 7 day trips with embedded 30 hour rest? [emoji854]




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Saabs 06-13-2018 03:49 PM

Heck ACD even helps out a bunch of widebody trips!

Sliceback 06-13-2018 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by OVBIII (Post 2613853)
To be honest, no one has provided proof this was more than just a rumor. (unless I completely missed it)

It was mentioned as a concept so I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s been discussed internally.

An organization has to consider all possible options and the value of a contract extension has to be evaluated.

OVBIII 06-13-2018 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by Sliceback (Post 2613986)
It was mentioned as a concept so I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s been discussed internally.

An organization has to consider all possible options and the value of a contract extension has to be evaluated.

Absolutely, operational concepts are always important; and I agree that anything and everything has to be considered. I was just elucidating the fact nothing has been presented to the pilot corps, thus nothing for us to get spun up about.


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