Originally Posted by NYC Pilot

Keep the flow, just make the hiring standards as they were circa 1999.

Originally Posted by RyanP

From my personal experience training, the military pilots almost always needed more time. In the sim and on IOE. Not all of them, helo is by far the worst, but it was definitely a noticeable thing amongst all check airman that they struggle with the change. Book smarts and study habits from that group were typically better than average but the flying was very weak from a large percentage. I get it's different but I was surprised coming from the equipment some of them previously flew having such a hard time with basic easy things I would expect any instrument rated pilot to be able to handle. Of course you get the ones that do great as well, I just saw more from that group of new hires than any other. Well, I take that back, the 50-55+ age group was by far the slowest to learn and adapt to new things.

My experience with teaching new hires to fly a new type:

Prior 121 = Stellar, weak ones are outliers and rare. If I got my pick of students it would be age 27-45, prior 121 transitions 100% of the time. They are so much easier.

Prior Military only= Anywhere from Ok to weak, really was about 50/50, they almost always get it, but it can definitely take longer about half the time. Not saying they are crap pilots, just that 121 is a big change. After 4-6 months they blend in with everyone else and do great for the most part.

Originally Posted by 50SeatsofGrey

There are check airman at regionals with no flow who would be junior (if they are ever hired) to kids who entered the career way after them.

Originally Posted by PRS Guitars

Not disputing you, but something you need to understand is that most military guys who go to a regional, do so because they haven’t flown in years. They don’t have good currency to get on with a major. So yeah, they might be rusty at some of the things you’re talking about. Most, not all current guys go straight to a major.

Also, I know for me, the training didn’t talk about a lot of basic stuff that military guys don’t deal with. Like ramp control, I had no idea about that, and other little things on the line. I remember my first EDCT on the line.

The CA said “do we have an EDCT?”

me “What’s that?”

CA “what!, how the F have you gotten this far without knowing what an EDCT is?!”...then explained it.

Me “well, we didn’t have those flying F16’s, we took off whenever the F we wanted”

Originally Posted by Name User

Ryan P, you need to work on your brevity. No one is reading those long posts.

Originally Posted by Name User

Ryan P, you need to work on your brevity. No one is reading those long posts.

Originally Posted by FlyyGuyy

This times 1000.

I'm a millennial, but my parents didn't subscribe to the nonsense that others did. I can see the difference in my peers.

Originally Posted by Regionalsuck

For everyone’s sanity still in the training department I sure wish they would go back to the old standards!

Use to be a 2-3 day event. Stage 1 testing, people weeded out on the spot, next stage HR, people weeded out, Technical interview with line pilot, people weeded out, down to half what the group started with. Now sim eval in AA full motion sim, 727, Saab, whatever was available. Another chunk weeded out. Then half day astronaut physical at AA if you got that far. Then Captain review board. We started with a full room of people on day 1 and ended with like 5 or 6.

Now they hire anyone with an app basically and let the check airman/APDs sort it out because all managers care about is numbers. Which SUCKS dumping that mess on training. Huge waste of everyone’s time/money/sanity doing hiring that way. You could get people that haven’t flown in 20 years or have zero instrument scan, and I mean ZERO. Which is always fun. 100 extra hours later.