Why are hub to hub routes so full
04-14-2019, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeroTT
Seems like every day the hub to hub routes have a dozen flights and they’re all -5. Is there some reason AA wants a 102% load factor here?
They know a certain % of pax routinely no-show, so they overbook to try and compensate.
Frustrating to the non-rev flyer...but, the bean counters love it.
04-14-2019, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by cursesRedBaron
Many airlines intentionally overbook their flights.
They know a certain % of pax routinely no-show, so they overbook to try and compensate.
Frustrating to the non-rev flyer...but, the bean counters love it.
They know a certain % of pax routinely no-show, so they overbook to try and compensate.
Frustrating to the non-rev flyer...but, the bean counters love it.
04-14-2019, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by cursesRedBaron
Many airlines intentionally overbook their flights.
They know a certain % of pax routinely no-show, so they overbook to try and compensate.
Frustrating to the non-rev flyer...but, the bean counters love it.
They know a certain % of pax routinely no-show, so they overbook to try and compensate.
Frustrating to the non-rev flyer...but, the bean counters love it.
When day in/day out you are selling 155/150 seats on 10 flights a day, you’re leaving customers on the table
04-14-2019, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeroTT
I spend a lot of time looking at AA loads. Overbooking here and there, sure. Hub to hub stands out, and not subtly.
When day in/day out you are selling 155/150 seats on 10 flights a day, you’re leaving customers on the table
When day in/day out you are selling 155/150 seats on 10 flights a day, you’re leaving customers on the table
And usually paying some of them to get off the plane. Be interesting to see the math of paying thousands to get people off vs leaving a few seats empty for non-revs. It seems commuting has gotten harder for everyone including their own folks.
04-14-2019, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeroTT
Seems like every day the hub to hub routes have a dozen flights and they’re all -5. Is there some reason AA wants a 102% load factor here?
I have been #19 on the list for a seat on an oversold flight out of a "spoke" airport and gotten a seat in back, so you really never know.
The incremental revenue is huge...the volunteer oversolds get a "voucher" which costs a fraction of the face value in profit. Example, you get "$25 kohl's cash", but since their markup is so high the actually value of that might be $8 at most.
And most on the oversold list are standby which means they aren't actually getting booted off the flight so no soup for them.
04-14-2019, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Skyward
I’ve often wondered for commuting purposes which airlines overbook. I know DAL does a lot, and now I know AA. SWA does not. UAL?
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