I’m not saying APA is perfect. At 2 years in I haven’t begun to see all the dysfunction in its finest form. But at least APA fights for the interests of American pilots. ALPA fights for United and Delta. If we join they will fight for us too, but they will do it at the expense of thousands of its own regional members.


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The last thing APA does is fight for the interests of American pilots.

Should read, “APA fights for the interests of the senior guys that run it.”

I don’t know who or what ALPA fights for, but I’m reminded every day of how much better the UAL and DAL contracts are compared to ours. I’m pretty dang sure if we merged with ALPA we’d be the largest group there and would get to not only tap into what Delta and United Pilots enjoy but also have a pretty big influence on how ALPA is run.

You haven’t been here long enough. You’ll figure it out shortly.

Bingo. At least thats been my experience with APA in my 20ish years.

So with all this DC bs, I got kinda sidetracked what EF's position on a potential ALPA merger is...

Since he ran on the platform “Upgrade APA”, I think he’s currently focusing on trying to fix our current union. He’s a sharp guy though and not a politician. If he can be convinced APA is irreparably damaged, he’ll follow the membership’s desire to explore the benefits of a merger with ALPA.

paraphrased, iirc...

Neither necessarily "Pro APA" nor "Pro ALPA"

"Pro Pilot"

Update the BOD study
Study the results at the BOD
Share results with membership
Poll/Listen to membership
Proceed as directed

In concert with the BOD, who actually has and has demonstrated all of the ability to do or not do - mostly not do, comtrary to the promises made - any of the above.

The President has no authority to do anythung on his own.

One of ALPA’s problems was they didn’t fight for anything. Every time it came time to take a stand, they just said grieve it and we will see what the arbitrator says. They are still individual MEC’s that short of financing didn’t do anything to support us. In my short time at AA, we are a much stronger union, just not as large. I believe APA will be effective in securing a good contract. After all, we are APA. Stay engaged

The only thing I like more about ALPA was centralized communications. I received so many emails from APA and committees over the last few months I finally went in and selected all to stop and reported as spam on gmail. Thankfully it seems to have stopped. But there was just too much info from too many people and viewpoints across the spectrum. The straw that broke the camels back was 14 emails in 10 days, and they were long drawn out ones with nonstop text blocks and little breaks. I also can't stand the "union" rhetoric.

I have to agree. I like centralized communication. The majority of emails I have received seem very “hip shot”. And, like you, I am not a fan of sabre rattling.

Lmao...keep watching you’ll learn soon enough.